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(09-12-2014, 01:49)spireitematt Wrote: It could work with the right actress and writers etc but it will upset a lot of people and turn people away from the show which is already happening under Moffat writing it.
Amelia I don't want you to think I'm sexist because I'm not. I believe in equality and Women and Men should be paid the same. I would like to see Yvette Cooper as leader of the Labour party and believe that Women should be allowed to manage Men's football teams.
Is there anything in the rules that actually prevents this from happening?? For me its a matter of ability and experience, as it should be in any profession.
But there is nothing sexist with some characters, remember not real life, being men and some being women. Harry Potter, Bilbo Baggins, Buffy, etc are characters written specifically in that sex, that shouldn't change. If the goal is to have more strong female roles, then someone needs to write them and we as consumers need to watch them!! Game of Thrones is a great example of a series that has created some fabulous, strong, well written female roles within it, but again these roles were written and created for characters of that sex. Friends, Sex in the City and the Good Wife again were written with strong, starring female roles.
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(09-12-2014, 02:00)St Charles Owl Wrote: (09-12-2014, 01:49)spireitematt Wrote: It could work with the right actress and writers etc but it will upset a lot of people and turn people away from the show which is already happening under Moffat writing it.
Amelia I don't want you to think I'm sexist because I'm not. I believe in equality and Women and Men should be paid the same. I would like to see Yvette Cooper as leader of the Labour party and believe that Women should be allowed to manage Men's football teams.
Is there anything in the rules that actually prevents this from happening?? For me its a matter of ability and experience, as it should be in any profession.
But there is nothing sexist with some characters, remember not real life, being men and some being women. Harry Potter, Bilbo Baggins, Buffy, etc are characters written specifically in that sex, that shouldn't change. If the goal is to have more strong female roles, then someone needs to write them and we as consumers need to watch them!! Game of Thrones is a great example of a series that has created some fabulous, strong, well written female roles within it, but again these roles were written and created for characters of that sex. Friends, Sex in the City and the Good Wife again were written with strong, starring female roles.
The first professional female manager would make a good first female Doctor. Cherie Lunghi.
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Women as football managers are in the same position as the black ones. Someone has to give them the chance. But instead we have the same old same old on the merry go round. Eventually it will happen. But when it goes wrong it will be because she's a woman.
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(09-12-2014, 01:57)Amelia Chaffinch Wrote: I'm not taking it as a sexist comment.
Unfortunately I think it has run its course already.
I had great hopes for Peter Capaldi but I now think they dropped a clanger by choosing him and the stories are no longer appealing. They ruined it for me when they decided to do a "reveal" show. The Doctor should have been revealed in the storyline as he always is. I don't mind it being a male role. I just think if you accept regeneration, anything is possible.
And don't get me started with what's wrong with Charlie's Angels.
Oh I am completely with you there!!! I actually watched an episode recently on tv and it was dreadful!! But then a lot of the tv from the 70s was pretty bad!! Bit off topic, but I always wished they had kept doing Starsky & Hutch, I always liked that series!!
As for Dr Who, I thought it had run its course 20 years ago and was surprised it came back as strong as it originally was. They have also changed the Doctor too often, the beauty of the old Doctors was that they were around for a while and they were able to develop the character in that time so that you first got used to the new guy and secondly developed a liking for his particular quirkiness. I loved Jon Pertwee when he was in it but Tom Baker took the role to a new level. I am told that David Tennant did a good job but I know nothing about the roles for the last 7 Doctors!!!
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What I miss about the new Doctor Who series' are the end of episode cliffhangers. In the old days it was generally one storyline for the whole series with each half hour episode ending with a "how the hell is he going to get out of that" moment.
Or am I confusing that with Batman?
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(09-12-2014, 02:04)Amelia Chaffinch Wrote: Women as football managers are in the same position as the black ones. Someone has to give them the chance. But instead we have the same old same old on the merry go round. Eventually it will happen. But when it goes wrong it will be because she's a woman.
I am inclined to agree but at least black players are already in the industry to start with!! I think the women's game needs to be much stronger before a woman will ever stand a chance of getting a managers job. It needs to be a fully professional league for starters and the overall standard needs to rise dramatically, but above all else it requires media exposure. Over here the female leagues get decent coverage, particularly basketball and the college sports, which are huge over here, have plenty of female coaches and managers but still no breakthrough in the men's leagues. Not sure we will see it in my lifetime!!
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Christopher Ecclestone (spelling ?) never seems to stick at anything for long so was a poor choice when it came back. However I understand they wanted a big name to relaunch it. Too intense for me. David Tennant was good. Loads of energy. A good Doctor needs energy and humour IMO. That"s why my favourite was Tom Baker.
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(09-12-2014, 02:04)Amelia Chaffinch Wrote: Women as football managers are in the same position as the black ones. Someone has to give them the chance. But instead we have the same old same old on the merry go round. Eventually it will happen. But when it goes wrong it will be because she's a woman.
It doesn't matter what sex they are for a football manager. Some Women know more about football than some managers. Its certain clubs don't want to give young managers or Women a chance because it might go wrong and if it does it does, can always get rid and bring in someone else because that's what happens already sacking managers every 5 minutes because they might go on a poor run of form.
(09-12-2014, 02:14)Amelia Chaffinch Wrote: Christopher Ecclestone (spelling ?) never seems to stick at anything for long so was a poor choice when it came back. However I understand they wanted a big name to relaunch it. Too intense for me. David Tennant was good. Loads of energy. A good Doctor needs energy and humour IMO. That"s why my favourite was Tom Baker.
I've watched some of the old Doctor Who's and Pertwee and Baker stand out for me with Tennent and Matt Smith but I still believe Capaldi is and could be a great Doctor if they got different writers.
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(09-12-2014, 02:25)spireitematt Wrote: (09-12-2014, 02:04)Amelia Chaffinch Wrote: Women as football managers are in the same position as the black ones. Someone has to give them the chance. But instead we have the same old same old on the merry go round. Eventually it will happen. But when it goes wrong it will be because she's a woman.
It doesn't matter what sex they are for a football manager. Some Women know more about football than some managers. Its certain clubs don't want to give young managers or Women a chance because it might go wrong and if it does it does, can always get rid and bring in someone else because that's what happens already sacking managers every 5 minutes because they might go on a poor run of form.
It shouldn't matter what sex they are but if we go back to the premise of experience and ability irrespective of sex, then so far there isn't a woman alive who has top tier playing/coaching experience, certainly not in the UK!! The Special one at Chelski is the only top manager I am aware of that played virtually no professional football, but he did work his way up the ranks under Bobby Robson at Porto and gained his experience that way. In reality, it will need a non-league or lower league team to take the plunge and give a woman a chance, if she is successful then she will rise through the league, but it must be based on success only!!
The danger is a woman getting a job as a publicity stunt by a wacky chairman, that will be a disaster for women in the game!! We also should be careful of progressing an under experienced woman at the expense of a male ex-player who has worked hard to get his coaching badges and been a coach in the professional game somewhere. Positive discrimination does not work in my opinion, particularly in the case where the job is a fairly unique one.
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Sadly while ever there are people making comments about minorities like we have seen lately it will take a very brave club to do it. Look at the fuss made about Andy Murray choosing a female coach and I'd say the tennis world is more enlightened than the football one!
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