[Maddix]

Forgot to say, by the 'Liberal' thugs work that one out

[Statesideowl]

It's barmy how divided they've managed to get us.

[Statesideowl]

Well, after last nights action. If Turkey are still admitted to the EU and given no borders & entry to schengen zone then Brexit might just turn out to be the best thing to happen to Britain after all. And where does it stop? Kazakhstan might want in next. Turkey has an enormous population and more Turks are going to migrate in to Europe than Europeans migrate to Turkey. Britain's at saturation point, it's a tiny island for crying out loud. As I've said before, this is how religious/political doctrines take over once they get a foot hold.

And we're somewhat back to the main point, As a Muslim nation Turkeys cultural traditions are diametrically opposed to those of Christian Europe and this is why we continue to not only see Muslim refusal to integrate into the respective communities they migrate to, but also blatant contempt for western law & culture as a whole.

It's incredibly smart to have no borders between Syria right the way through to Portugal isn't it? Just allow extremists to wander through Greece & Bulgaria into the rest of Europe.

[Statesideowl]

And one day into the Job, the holy un-elected closes down Britain's climate change office.

I'm actually starting to fear for the UK.

[St Charles Owl]

Spot on about the ideology being the problem with extremist Muslims. You cannot fight an ideology with bombs and bullets, you have to stop the source of information and also the source of recruits who are completely disenfranchised in most countries. Muslim communities in Britain and the US do tend to stick together, but they do assimilate into society as well, they work in the same places as others, they are no richer nor generally no poorer than other groups etc etc. In France they are a complete under class, no prospects, no jobs, no money, shit housing and racial prejudices everywhere by other French people and the authorities, whatever the rights and wrongs of that it makes it so easy for the Jihadis to recruit from within their ranks and then the problem is on our shores instead of being "over there"!!

You are also right about the need for the other Muslim countries to do more to denounce and stand up to ISIS, this has to be defeated within the religion, where the vast majority of believers are peace loving normal people!! It's the same over here with Black Lives Matter, most black Americans are killed by other black Americans, not by cops, the day the black community begins to try to deal with that and start on their doorstep is the day we can start making progress. The cops will always have some twats in their ranks, the two recent ones should be thrown in jail for murder but those incidents are few and far between and still the cops kill more white men than any other group.

[Statesideowl]

It's one of those full circle things isn't it. Western pro military governments back Saudi Arabia, where this extreme ideology stemmed from under Wahhabism. Western governments also bomb smaller Muslim countries whilst enabling Israel to destroy Palestine, refusing to even acknowledge their existence. Such actions in turn create hatred towards the west and Isis recruitment never stops. Just as you were saying yourself above, SCO.

It's all such a shit storm from the top tier right down to the every day people, but it's there where the 'rebellion' needs to foment. I'm a firm believer in community action, and it takes everyone within each community to be a part of it and make that necessary change from the ground up!

[Maddix]

It's all about money at the end of the day The west backs SA because they buy loads of planes, tanks and guns and make the controlling rich that little bit richer. Lebanon and Palestine can f'uck off because they're skint We have to do what's best for the shareholders and f'uck the consequences because the rich will be safe in their mansions while the plebs take the hits Seriously, how much money do you actually need and is it really worth it What a f'ucking sad World it really is and I really hope there is a God and the accountants fry in f'ucking hell

[Statesideowl]

Another fun week! Over here we had a Black caretaker shot by Police whilst trying to calm down an autistic man.

In Germany a Syrian gentleman took it upon himself to chop up a pregnant lady.

In France 2 gentlemen from the ISIS boy's club hack up people in a church.

Definitely too late to close that Pandora's Box.

It's all about money at the end of the day for our Western overlords. It's all about spreading a violent, oppressive political doctrine for Isis and many other Mullahs.

Peaceful majorities don't count for shit I'm afraid. The majority of Germans didn't want wars, The majority of Americans didn't want to invade Afghanistan/Iraq. History repeatedly shows that silent majorities will conform and fall in line. Under Pots Khmer Rouge people were forbidden to show emotion of any sort, only allowed to obey angkar padevat. They butchered thousand they deemed impure, didn't they? Where were the peaceful majorities?

You can't embrace beliefs such as hatred towards gays, hatred towards infidels, hatred towards anything that isn't within your personal culture compounded by profound misogyny and call yourself a 'Peaceful' person. Just because you aren't actively hacking someone's head off in the street, does not make you Peaceful.
Again, you cannot hold dear, oppressive beliefs which are both detrimental to the community and the progression of a civilised human culture and consider yourself peaceful.. Sorry, you just can't!

[talkSAFT]

I take it you're referring to the "silent majority" of peaceful Muslims, Stateside (?) I don't understand why the Arab League aren't sorting the IS out themselves. I don't know much what's going on in the Arabic world, but Saudi have the wealth and influence to get to grips with the problem, tell the West to keep our noses out, close down Mecca till IS have all been killed, and show the rest of the World that Islam is a great religion. (Or are they funding IS themselves?)
It won't happen THIS November but, if things escalate, Trump will return in 4 years time on the back of fierce anti-Islam (just like Hitler and the Jews). Then God help the World.

[Statesideowl]

Silent majority, peaceful majority. Sometimes the same thing, but that's what I meant indeed. Any belief in general that holds one or more of the above examples as a principle. Cannot call itself peaceful. Islam as a religion needs to undergo a significant reformation before it becomes compatible with any progressive culture.

There's absolutely no doubt the Saudi's could sort the problem out, but when it comes to such matters it becomes a little 'tribal' They stand more to gain by doing nothing. The USA & UK haven't helped themselves by painting a bulls eye on ourselves over the last few decades. Blowback from funding it ourselves, guns & Oil involved.

Trump might actually win, this is truly frightening. A man with no real policies has run his entire nomination campaign on building a wall to keep Mexicans out, and threaten a ban on all Muslims (except his rich Saudi business mates) entering the USA. After watching his speech the other night I was left horrified actually, at both the level of idiocy Trump supporters indulge in ( Not unlike Farage & UKIP ) and the realization that Trump, really can win this now..