[Fredstersafool]

My point is 0762 even being in the EU hasn't helped in anyway regards this issue the country is still in the same state before we entered and therefore it's been no help whilst also not doing anymore damage,the real reason for voting out is immigration but we all no that

[hibeejim21]

This is just going round in circles,you asked for things that the EU have done for us and i've listed a few for example.

You seem more concerned and rightly so with things that are wrong in the uk BUT WHICH THE EU CAN DO NOTHING TO CHANGE. So how is leaving the european union going to make those things better?

Brexit is not going to solve immigration. Even boris admitted that

[Fredstersafool]

Jim my point is being in the EU has had no change to the status quo in this country,I never voted because I saw no point as in or out I don't think it will make any odds,I've been under s cloud of possible redundancy for years mate long before this referundum

[0762]

Be reasonably optimistic that you live in Scotland Fredster as I believe we will eventually be led out of the mire to a more positive future than many of our critics think possible! The criticisms/fears like mass immigration and threats to NHS servs etc are mere 'snapshots' compared with the overall benefits that the EU provided! God help all those folk down south when it finally sinks in that Brexit was a huge mistake in real terms and that will be borne out in years to come as it already appears that another recession is looming ever closer.

[hibeejim21]

Be reasonably optimistic that you live in Scotland Fredster as I believe we will eventually be led out of the mire to a more positive future than many of our critics think possible! The criticisms/fears like mass immigration and threats to NHS servs etc are mere 'snapshots' compared with the overall benefits that the EU provided! God help all those folk down south when it finally sinks in that Brexit was a huge mistake in real terms and that will be borne out in years to come as it already appears that another recession is looming ever closer.

Spot on.

Its not the EUs role to change the status quo,although their attitude towards zero hour contracts for instance is a bit different to the tories. The political vacuum down south has contributed to this vote IMO and thats only going to get worse with labour tearing itself apart and the tories set to do a UKIP and lurch to the right.

There is no way brexit will happen in the way the leave voters envisaged,Prior to the referendum it was as clear as day that there wasn't a consensus view of what Brexit was supposed to achieve and it's obvious that the vast majority who supported it did so for reasons that simply aren't going to happen.

Less migration???: that's not going to happen. Might get a few less Slavs, but we'll need a lot more Indians...

Sovereignty for Britain???: if you want access to global markets from a position of weakness, you'll need to accept the rules of the game

We want our country back???: the only thing that'll do that is a xxxx DeLorean and a flux capacitor. 1955 was a long time ago.

The anti-elite vote????: it wasn't about that, sorry if you thought it was.


Independence is the only way for scotland out this clusterfuck.

[Fredstersafool]

I'm all for independence it can't come quick enough

[0762]

.....and so it finally comes to pass that the sole Tory contender for PM, Theresa May, picks up her new title after conferring with HM Queen Lizzy! Here we go again as the Tory political merry go round starts to revolve again and failed EU referendum man, David Cameron, 'jumps ship' as well!

[St Charles Owl]

Just as failed referendum man, Alex Sammon, jumped ship as well!!! Cameron said he would go if the referendum went for Brexit and he stuck to his word, at the very least he deserves plaudits for at least that one act!!

Of course the rest of the world must now be quaking in their boots with Boris as Foreign Secretary!!! Holy shit, that appointment surprised me!!

[0762]

Yep! You reached that criticism just before me Saint Charles Owl - a shocker of a move and typical Tory! A buffoon of a representative who 'messed up big time' only weeks ago and was 'found out' for what he is!!! There's a moral stance to take on such a stupid political decision and May's credibility is already in question as it always was TBF if you study some of her past right wing extreme remarks and questionable value judgements. I'd classify her as a lightweight politician with an impossible agenda expected from the Brexit protagonists and as for her latest Tory sound bite re 'not being for the privileged few' - wrong political party, a joke sound bite spun by a Tory idiot!!! Remember Cameron's 'big society' sound bite or even worse was the cringe worthy Saint Francis of Assissi speech by Thatcher in 1979 - total pish being uttered by politicians playing their usual political games!

[hibeejim21]

Just as failed referendum man, Alex Sammon, jumped ship as well!!!  Cameron said he would go if the referendum went for Brexit and he stuck to his word, at the very least he deserves plaudits for at least that one act!!

Of course the rest of the world must now be quaking in their boots with Boris as Foreign Secretary!!!  Holy shit, that appointment surprised me!!

Actually Cameron Said he would stay on,then he said he would oversee the transition before he jumped ship. There was nothing honorable about that pigfuck. He has left the UK in the shite while he heads off to some seven star hotel in the Maldives. No doubt followed by a hugely paid job in the private sector. A useless politician,the very epitome of an empty vessel. I wish him real misfortune,particularly for the misery his gov caused the sick and the poor.

Boris on the other hand gets his reward for dropping out the leadership race and not splitting the vote. England has been played like a fiddle by these xxxx yet again.