[Fredstersafool]

The country has been fuqed since Thatcher, being in the EU has changed nothing here,we should have got to fuq away from Westminster when we had the chance.

[0762]

Yep Fredster! Thatcher is just one of many Tory mainstream politicians who are despised north of the border!! Their politics suck as well as their right wing media. More to the point - who will Rupert Murdoch choose to be the replacement PM and whether this govt stays in place eh? If the indigenous Scottish vote prevailed in 2014, we would be an independent country and only bothered re our trade links with the south!!! IMO Scotland is still on a journey to become independent and that will eventually come to pass as'Little England' implodes without any reputable politicians any more. This latest Tory selection fiasco means nothing to most resident Scots who ensure the Tories will continue to have minimal interest in Scottish affairs and their divisive politics don't infect Scotland as they do in England

[hibeejim21]

In the last few years, Cadbury, Ford, Jaguar, Peugeot, Gillette, Texas Instruments and Hoover have all moved production out of the UK with the help of EU grants, not all to EU countries I might add. There are other examples too of the rape of British manufacturing by the EU and foreign-owned companies, so this has nothing to do with a Brexit vote. It's been happening for years.

The decision has been made, so we just have to get on with it and do the best we can. We certainly would like to do business with the EU and I'm sure EU countries would like to do business with us.

Getting back to this for a moment. Some might want to read the attached for some facts about companies moving production out of the UK with EU grants.

There has been no 'rape' of british manufacturing by the EU.

http://ilovetheeu.co.uk/trade/no-the-eu-...-of-the-uk

[Fredstersafool]

Jim what has being part of the EU done to make this country better than before we joined?? because from where i'm sitting it's zero.

[hibeejim21]

3.1 million jobs for a start off.

[St Charles Owl]

Jim what has being part of the EU done to make this country better than before we joined?? because from where i'm sitting it's zero.

Throughout the whole campaign, the question Fred poses here is the one question that needed to be answered by the Remain campaign!! Yet from what I saw all they did was answer back against the propaganda being spouted by the Leave campaign, getting drawn into pointless arguments about what would happen if we pulled out (pointless because no one knows what will happen) and completely failing to explain what the EU does or doesn't do for us!!!

I can see why Leave won, there was really no one fighting to explain what good had come from being in the EU and the "have nots" (as 0762 refers to them) could see not tangible benefits of being in the EU, coupled with the fact that a lot of the old middle/working class in the UK are struggling to make ends meet and facing more austerity measures, the easy target was to blame the EU and getting out of that gives them a chance to try to change that.

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3.1 million jobs for a start off.

We have been in the EU as we currently know it officially since 1993 (Maastricht Treaty), if the only thing the EU has done for us is the creation of 3.1m jobs over that time, then no wonder Leave won!!! The population of the UK has risen from 57.6m in 1993 to 65m now, so our population has increased by nearly 3 times the jobs the EU has created!!

The EU has done a lot of good in its time, and some not so good as well, yet the Remain campaign could not even tell the ordinary man in the street what those things were as opposed to the lies and bad things being very prominently rammed down everyone's throats!!

[Fredstersafool]

Some stat that SCO care to defend that Jim??,the country is a fuqing mess

[hibeejim21]

Whats to defend, The Centre for Economics and Business Research, released a report in October 2015, that said 3.1 million British jobs were linked to the UK’s exports to the EU and membership of the EU. Thats now today not 1993.

The EU has done a lot more good than bad for the UK, in terms of redevelopment,in terms of our universities and technology,in terms of support for our farmers and agriculture, workers rights and conditions and prior to the referendum we had an excellent deal to remain in it and enjoy the benefits of it.

The country is a xxxx mess,but its not the EUs fault. They can do nothing about the governments housing policy for instance nor its austerity measures which have put huge pressures on the NHS and wages.

[Fredstersafool]

I know all about the pressures on the NHS I work for them and please believe me if you take the time to look you will see other reasons why those pressures exist

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Re housing the people of Edinburgh should have put huge pressure on the government to abandon any team link what a fuqing waste of money that could've built thousands of homes

[0762]

Fredster the lack of any major housing initiative goes back decades through labour and conservative governments. These governments were well aware of the housing shortage in regions throughout the UK and yet they didn't wanna revitalise the building and property development industry esp during times of austerity. The criticisms should be directed at national gov level and certainly not the EU. We're dealing with political ideologies that we can do without rather than tackling the problems with a degree of nous, positive vision and innovation! The end result is we are years behind in redressing a massive shortfall that somebody in gov should've seriously attempted to redress a long time ago.