[theo_luddite]

Bodgit and Hands-on-Cock making it up on the hoof again?

Surely not. After 6 months of being exposed as down-right useless lazy lying bar-stewards you surely wouldn't do something like this without talking to the experts would you?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/s...oronavirus

Of course you will if you're Bodgit and there's no other news around to deflect from the last feck-up that you just made.

[hibeejim21]

The border in the Irish Sea is there to avoid a border on the island of Ireland. To avoid this border in the sea May came up with the backstop. Later on the UK demonized this backstop and chose the original solution of the border in the Irish Sea and celebrated it as a huge victory for British diplomacy. But NO - they had a cunning plan.

Now the UK wants to abandon the Irish Sea border one sidedly without coming up with a mutually agreed solution to avoid a border on the island of Ireland. In other words leaving the EU to enforce a border in Ireland. A clear breach of the GFA.

The fact that they are threatening this is an embarrassing low point in British diplomacy (which once was among the best in the world) They are clearly hoping to get concessions or to force the EU to walk from the talks so they can play the blame game - frighteningly I don't think they care which.

This notion of the UK turning into some super IT hub to rival china is absolute fantasia. Whats going to happen is once international jurisdiction is gone with the 'internal market bill' they are going to carve the UK up for Dom and his mates and the rub is you and I will be paying for it because its going to come via 'state aid'. Not the kind comrade corbyn was proposing either where he used the money to try and preserve British industry but the kind that directly pumps public money into the hands of dido harding and co..... Trump has just pulled a similar trick stateside.

Meanwhile calling their handling of COVID shambolic is being kind. Covid cases are doubling every eight days. In other words the disease is going exponential again. Public confidence has been shattered by Cummings little trip to durham - one which may have been done deliberately to damage lockdown strategy.... We've seen evidence of Cummings beliefs in eugenics.

As ever its not Boris and his gang of incompetent, heartless,narcissistic cronies that are the biggest danger, it's the people working them like sock puppets we really should worry about.

[St Charles Owl]

2020 is going to go down in history as an awful year for obvious reasons but the catalyst to a lot of the problems we are seeing on both sides of the pond should be laid firmly at the feet of 2016!! In years to come we might look back and see it as part of a natural cycle that eventually corrects itself but at this moment its for me the biggest threat to true democracy we have seen on both sides of the pond in my lifetime!! November 3rd can't come quick enough over here, there is a chance we can start the turnaround back to true values and morals, you guys might have to wait a bit longer.

[0762]

Good comments and yep we will have to wait longer but as the saying goes - PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE and one thing the SNP and the Scot indy movement has is patience and "keeping our powder dry until the appropriate time". Past political history tells us a lot! We are already seeing the various indicators of the "bad SNP, bad Scot govt" stuff plus name-calling, blatant inciteful jingoism that are emanating from unionists and unionist media up here now - resorting to desperate stuff but not denting the surge of support for Scottish independence. There will be much more of this shit coming from these fascists and they will attempt to attack our democracy and right to govern our country properly. We need to be ready for this next anti Scot indy/"suck up our Brexit ideology even though your populace never backed it" phase when it comes - lotsa dirty tricks ahead from these bastards and the words "desperate" and "shameless" will be self-evident. I think most Scots had a good insight last Autumn into the outrageously unscrupulous behaviour of this Brit govt, bordering on criminality, when Johnson/Cummings et al tried to prorogue Parliament - it provided us with all the evidence of the undemocratic nature of these shit heids and what was gonna follow if they became a majority govt. We spoke about the threat on this Sb board, an absolute nightmare unfolding!

[spireitematt]

Johnson now wants to opt out of the Human Rights laws which have nothing to do with the EU but the Council of Europe and people think this is wonderful and brilliant and don't understand it will affect them. The only other European country who is opted out of the Human Rights laws is Belarus and look what's happening to them.

Brexit has never been about leaving the EU. It's a power grab and its about ripping up the rulebook and the 'taking back control' is for the elites. The electorate has been misled, lied to and duped.

Other countries and people around the World are laughing at us as a nation. We once was a proud nation which people looked up to but we are slowly being turned into a banana republic. Johnson and Brexit supporters seem to think breaking an agreement is ok even though it breaks international law and if that does happen, how can other countries trust us again? How will they want to do a trade deal with us?

The hit of a no deal Brexit and Coronavirus is going to ruin our economy for decades. Who are the Brexit supporters and Johnson supporters going to blame when we have no trade deals and prices of things go up and we end up having rationing. We can't survive solely on our own, we need to trade with the EU and the rest of the World. Why do people think we don't need anyone else? We have no industry for starters, so how can we as a nation be self sufficient? The country has been turned into a services country which focuses on people buying insurance and pensions etc.  Will they blame the EU? Labour? Corbyn? Will they turn round and blame people who voted remain and say they didn't believe in Brexit enough?

Johnson complains that the EU are trying to break up the UK but they aren't. The only person who will end up breaking up the UK is the current Tories and Johnson. Scotland will bugger off and then not long after I suspect it will be Northern Ireland and then possibly Wales and those living in England will be under Tory rule forever.

[hibeejim21]

"Johnson complains that the EU are trying to break up the UK but they aren't. "


Gaslighting on a massive scale. He and his gang of crooks have basically taken the whole island of Ireland hostage here to blackmail the EU.

[0762]

It is the UK version of Trump and his gang of shameless criminals "across the pond" where the whole population is standing back and allowing them to carry out this shit with utter impudence and contempt for anyone who opposes them.

[hibeejim21]

Just who exactly is forcing a No Deal Brexit on Scotland and Northern Ireland (who didn't vote for this) and seizing powers back from devolved assemblies ?
Their UK Internal Market Bill is holding up a neon sign to prospective international partners telling them "We Can't Be Trusted".

But aye its all the EUs fault.

[ritchiebaby]

Now we'll see if a lot of the current Tory MPs will have the balls to stand up against this shambolic nonsense and vote against the Bill in Parliament - 40+ of them required to vote against the Bill. If they don't they will be as much to blame as Boris and his cohorts when it all goes tits up.

[0762]

Here is a good brief summary of the crass Brit govt antics recently given by the DT journo, Kevin McKenna: For Johnson and Cummings red lines exist to be smashed rather than heeded. With each one they cross, the nation (England) becomes more desensitised to the concept of outrage. What we once perceived to be uncivilised or morally unacceptable becomes less so. We become anaesthetised and subdued by a sense of familiarity and a resigned presumption of the Prime Minister’s dishonesty. He and Dominic Cummings play for this. The dawn of fascism anyone? And how people are gradually accepting of the most outrageous and unacceptable political actions up to a point where even concentration camps could be set up for targeted groups of people who are deemed shameless and unwanted by the govt in question.
I also think Johnson's Brexit revelations this week were once again being thanked by certain people in the financial market who could "line their pockets" further (as done in 2016!) as the Brit govt "played fast and loose" with international treaties, and Barnier's patience. One thing is certain during these uncertain times and that is nothing, absolutely nothing, is sacred for the No-Deal Brexit c#### who are at the forefront of this shit. Not the NI Good Friday Agreement, not the global standing of the UK, not devolution or democracy, not human rights or the rule of law, not catastrophic job losses, not the UK economy heading for a shredding, nor years of deep recession blighting the future of not just our "brightest and best" young people, but of each and every one of us who were born to arbitrage and trade. Meanwhile, as the clock ticks on to Jan 2021, Boris's rich chums (eg Crispin Odey, a super rich creton of a venture capitalist cum hedge fund manager who is currently on a charge of indecent assault - see attachment) are impatient for further Brexit dividends and lashings n lashings of clotted cash. Note one of those rich chums, Odey, incensed by the money spent so far by the Brit govt supporting citizens during this unprecedented Covid pandemic, was berating politicians for their "unwillingness" to allow a proper recession. Such spoil sports eh!! He also criticised the furlough scheme, fearing a rise in inflation affecting stock markets. HE COULDN'T CARE ONE JOT ABOUT PEOPLE'S LIVELIHOODS, WELL-BEING, LOSING THEIR JOBS, THEIR HOMES, THEIR HEALTH. AND F### THE NHS!!! The bare-faced self-opportunism is almost too much to believe but this is a flavour of the people who are behind Johnson, Cummings et al in this massive conspiracy that is being enacted under a flag of democracy - an absolute disgrace!! But you'd better believe it, because we are way over the rainbow and the pots of gold that have already been snazzled by Johnson's rich pals. A PM who was quite happy to take Odey's donations to his political party and his election/leadership campaign last year. Now we're at the point of the "margin call". And, like a good little boy, Johnson responds with the big No Deal announcement because there's no such thing as a free lunch!! IMO if there is any justice, it won't be long before there's no such thing as a United Kingdom and I certainly want to see a scorned Scotland at the forefront of the break up sooner rather than later as I weep that we have lost 5 years in not grasping the opp of self-determination when we had the chance to do it!!