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You have to also realise that this is only one element of a multi-faceted "loss maker"! The social consequences are massive but generally unmentioned!! What is the overall financial "hit" to the UK as a consequence of a "split vote" in 2016 that flung the whole Brexit idea into our laps as a realistic option!!! It has been a f###### disaster and that "hit" must be millions n millions of quid if not well over a trillion!! Was it all worth it???? Was it f### and we stand to lose much more if we proceed and yet I'm listening to shameless Tory clowns (plus that manipulative, disruptive c###, Farage, and others) still embracing the Brexit concept while the country and parliament are "paralysed"!!! My country (not a UK region!!) voted to remain with the EU and is "polls apart" from England and the unionist cretons up here who keep uttering their anti-indy shit/drivel under the cheeky disguise of "representing the voice of the Scottish people"!! Bastards!! And at last, a referendum bill finally introduced by the Scot govt to "pave the way" for another Scot Indy charge.

[hibeejim21]

The US will want business access to the NHS in any post-Brexit trade deal, the US ambassador has said, prompting anger from politicians and campaigners before Donald Trump’s state visit to the UK this week.

Woody Johnson, who is a close friend of the US president, said every area of the UK economy would be up for discussion when the two sides brokered a trade deal.

Asked if the NHS was likely to form part of trade negotiations, Johnson told the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show: “I think the entire economy, in a trade deal, all things that are traded would be on the table.” Asked if that specifically meant healthcare, he said: “I would think so.”

His comments were met with alarm from opposition politicians. The shadow health secretary, Jonathan Ashworth, said the comments were deeply concerning.

“The ambassador’s comments are terrifying and show that a real consequence of a no-deal Brexit, followed by a trade deal with Trump, will be our NHS up for sale. This absolutely should not be on the table,” he said. “Nigel Farage and the Tories want to rip apart our publicly funded and provided NHS. Labour will always defend it.”

[spireitematt]

There is a video circulating on twitter of Nigel Farage telling a group of people that Britain needs to move to an insurance based healthcare system. The worrying thing is you've got old people agreeing with him but the thing is they will be the first to moan and complain when they can't afford the premiums.

I don't like the EU and I've said that many times as I'm very eurosceptic but it's the best we've got. I think I would rather stay in the EU than sign up to Trump and a trade deal which means we get chlorinated chicken and US health insurance companies taking over our NHS.

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I recently viewed a wonderful cartoon depicting Nigel Farage straddling a wrecking ball with demolished buildings all around him. It is exactly how I have viewed Farage from the very beginning as causing so .much damage to the country and politics in general and still doing it as well as alarmingly still dupings lotsa "oldies" who can't see through the con that he preaches.

[WBA-Josh]

So Trump said today that everything, including the NHS, will be on the table in future trade deal negotiations.

Another nail in the Tory coffin if the Americans get some of the NHS to play with after Brexit.

[hibeejim21]

Of course they will. Most of the NHS has been sold off already under the tories, people just see the NHS logo and think its all ours. It isn't.

This is all about the NHSs ability to bargain down prices of drugs and equipment via NICE (national institute of care and excellence) which has the kind of standards and safety that isn't there in the USA. Its already in their opening positioning documents for a trade deal.

Basically its going to be one of many bonfires of our rights and standards that were protected by the EU. We were stronger together. Now we will be picked off like flies by vulture capitalists like Farage and his mates (Farage has never been a UK mp) and American/russian billionaires.

On top of that, its the eve of the 75th anniversary of D Day. I'm struggling to understand the people in the UK who are siding with the far right while simultaneously thinking themselves to be British patriots. This is not what my or their grandparents fought for. You might not like the EU, but its closer to what this country fought for than Donald xxxx trump.

[hibeejim21]

And this is from Bloomberg....even the American media know the score, yet ours peddle lies and unicorns.


"The actual tariff benefits from any free-trade deal with the U.S. would be modest. Duties on imports are already quite low at less than 3% on average, although the EU sets substantially higher tariffs for agriculture and some manufactured products like cars. The U.K. would be expected to take in more U.S. agricultural imports at a time when Britain’s farming sector is losing its EU subsidies, and accept U.S. regulations for plant and animal products, which would put it in conflict with European regulation"

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48532869
So the Labour Party narrowly wins the Peterborough by-election but the eye opener for me is another Tory spokesman shamelessly professing that it confirms WE MUST DELIVER BREXIT!!!??? Really?????? We need a "do minimum" of a general election as this Tory govt is becoming a liability anyway and esp with the "remain bandwagon" taking effect now!!

[hibeejim21]

Im pleased labour won, it would have been hellish seeing that twat farage boasting all over the media.

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Boris now professing during his generally "reticent Tory leadership campaign" that he will offer tax cuts to anybody earning £50k+!!!?? It just proves again that these people are totally "out of touch" with the country and the fact of the matter is he couldn't deliver that pledge in Parliament anyway, not with a minority govt!! And the same applies to any pledge re a no deal brexit!!