European Union Referendum - In or Out??

0762 · (This post was last modified: 12-12-2018, 01:15 by 0762.)

A good comment in your last para spireit! This very rich woman came out with the same shit/unionist opinion in Scot referendum year 2014 and still holds this intransigence while, as you say, her unionist line on brexit is utter hypocrisy!! I despair!! Meanwhile it looks like May's own Tory colleagues are massing to push through their own no confidence motion against her! What awful timing at such a critical point eh!! Watch this space as this political farce changes day by day!!!

ritchiebaby · 12-12-2018, 01:15

Matt, your argument in your first paragraph totally depends on a Tory telling the truth. From what I've seen there's not one that seems to be capable of doing that. From May herself (no snap general election, no treating individual UK countries differently, no delaying Parliament's "meaningful vote") right down to weaselly David Mundell (apologies to weasels everywhere) via Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg, I'm struggling to find one I could put any trust in.

0762 · (This post was last modified: 12-12-2018, 01:20 by 0762.)

Mundell must be one of the most hated Tory figures in Scotland at the moment! I'm gonna resign says he a while ago! Oh no I didn't! Oh yes you did! Oh no I didn't!!! Yo ho ho!! A shameless clown at work and a spineless one at that!!

**spireitematt** · 12-12-2018, 02:23

(12-12-2018, 01:15)ritchiebaby Wrote: Matt, your argument in your first paragraph totally depends on a Tory telling the truth. From what I've seen there's not one that seems to be capable of doing that. From May herself (no snap general election, no treating individual UK countries differently, no delaying Parliament's "meaningful vote") right down to weaselly David Mundell (apologies to weasels everywhere) via Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg, I'm struggling to find one I could put any trust in.

Difficult to trust any politician at the moment.

What I'm trying to say is this Ritchie. No one will take the risk of leaving with no deal and going on to WTO rules. The Tories won't do it and Labour will definitely won't do it. The options as it stands will be May's deal or no Brexit and no Brexit in my opinion is looking more likely. The whole thing is a clusterfuck and no one has thought any of it through properly. There is no real plan, no direction and frankly they are making it up as they go along. Cameron's and his cabinet were so cocksure that we would be remaining that they didn't have an alternative, a plan B in case Leave won and neither did the Vote Leave campaign.

For year's no one would offer a referendum on Europe as they knew it would be opening Pandora's box except Cameron was the one who opened it and no matter what happens this won't go away. We could have another referendum and Remain could win 52% but this matter won't go away. The country is split and it's divided. The EU referendum and the Scottish Indy referendum are very very similar because each generation will have an opinion on this. Scotland could leave the UK but another generation might vote that Scotland rejoins the UK and the same goes with the EU.

hibeejim21 · 12-12-2018, 09:58

Vote of no confidence in the prime minister submitted by the Tory party.

0762 · (This post was last modified: 12-12-2018, 12:05 by 0762.)

The biggest concern is if she wins tonight's vote then she becomes untouchable for a year! Also who replaces her anyway? Another shameless lying, conniving toerag because that's what they are!?Interesting times ahead but IMO bring on Scottish Independence asap!! I hope lots n lots of undecided voting Scots finally "smell the coffee" and join the Scot indy movement - pass on the word the movement is "alive n kicking" up here!!

WBA-Josh · 12-12-2018, 13:00

The tories seem to really want to lose the next general election and hang themselves and their party in the process.

Ballot between 6pm and 8pm and the results should be in by 10pm.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/201...?CMP=fb_gu

0762 · (This post was last modified: 12-12-2018, 14:50 by 0762.)

And Chancellor Merkel confirms this morning that there will be no change to the current deal! So much for all the dilly dally talk Theresa!!! I'm watching another Tory brexit weasel/hypocrite, Dr Fox, shuffling in his seat under bbc questioning! What a farce!

Devongone · 12-12-2018, 17:42

No wonder Scotland wants to ditch us. It wouldn't be so bad being conniving bastards if we were even verging on the competent .....

Mrs May will win the confidence vote, because the ERG and their mates are as incompetent as the govt.

It seemed to me the EU's strongest card was that they didn't want us to leave. So obviously they weren't just going to give us very much. They could just sit there. Our strongest card in response should have been that we were prepared to leave with no deal and were making sure we'd be in a better position for no deal than them ....... so if they wanted just to feed us crap then we'd sit and wait. Unfortunately Mrs May hid that card behind a load of red lines, did nothing about it and finally dropped it into her blue handbag. And just to ensure failure, out of the whole country she made someone called Ollie central to the success of the whole enterprise. Tarquin and Jocasta were clearly unavailable!

So negotiations have really just been a sideshow for the peasants. No Trade Union leader or businessman would even have recognised them.

No Deal can now only be achieved by incompetence on both sides as neither of them wants it, but both do have more than enough incompetence to spare.

A Deal appears to need either a time-shift worthy of Dr Who and probably an outside intervention like a referendum or General Election.

No Brexit needs either Parliament to decide it knows better than the people, which would be a weird interpretation of the very strange idea of representative democracy and/or one of those outside interventions which might also lead to a deal.

The Fourth Option is that, at almost the last moment, the EU pulls a secret rabbit out of Mr Juncker's departing hat and we are all so grateful that we accept the basket of whatever carrots it is carrying, even though the rabbit clearly has myxamatosis.

Staying and No Deal clearly look better than May's Deal. If she wins tonight, does she have another go at putting forward her Finnegan's Wake of Gobbledygook ....... and when it hits the deck together with John Bercow's over-exercised jaw, what then?

Would it be better if England were simply excluded from the UK? We could sit in that side room staring at computers with that mono-syllabic teacher forcing us to get on with our work, instead of flicking fire bombs at little Macron across the room!

0762 · 12-12-2018, 23:33

.....and breaking news - Theresa May, aka Mrs Windrush, survives the Tory no confidence vote!! Am I surprised? No! As expected because IMO there is no fitting candidate of any standing to actually replace her!! They are all lightweight politicians incl May herself, the very reason why her political party is fractured and riddled with people who wanna "bring her down".