[hibeejim21]

I can only assume from the lack of impact assessments and the cabinet not discussing negotiations for 18 months that they have absolutely no intention of going through with this madness.

I think they are looking for a way they can ditch this and try and save face. Part of me actually want this to go through now, i'd like the collection of racists,thickos and yes 'little englanders' that were sucked in by this to feel the full consequences of it, the full burden of brexit.

It seems only fair after all.

[St Charles Owl]

I can only assume from the lack of impact assessments and the cabinet not discussing negotiations for 18 months that they have absolutely no intention of going through with this madness.

I think they are looking for a way they can ditch this and try and save face. Part of me actually want this to go through now, i'd like the collection of racists,thickos and yes 'little englanders' that were sucked in by this to feel the full consequences of it, the full burden of brexit.

It seems only fair after all.

You can't wish that upon society as a whole Jim, you can't stoop to the levels those leading the leave campaign went to!! As you say people were sucked in by the rhetoric that was being used in that referendum and were not obviously seeing enough from the other side to give them enough to change their stance, lets not wish ill upon them for a decision they made. Many good people voted to leave, lets not tar them all as racists etc just because Farage might be just that!!

[0762]

I concur with that view Saint Charles Owl but still 'can't get my head around' why English (and Welsh) society did not 'come to the fore' and block any chance of us leaving the EU much like we voted to remain in Scotland. Has English society differed so much now compared with behaviour and values 'north of the border'? Apparently the Scottish line on remain has actually been bolstered from 62% to a remain opinion of 69% together with a drop in the meagre Tory popularity of recent times and a rise in SNP support! I also wonder if many voting Scots had been politically 're-educated' on the number of shameless bastards of all parties who came up here in 2014 to 'peddle their crap' in attempting to block Scot indy 'at any cost' and be devoid of any shame - never forgotten!!!

[hibeejim21]

Nah, i want my red white and blue brexit now thank you very much.

The problem for the Murdoch /Dacre brexit scam is the leave voters don't want to pay the price financially - no xxxx way. Yet their position remains entrenched somehow according to the polls, why is that after all thats happened since last june ?

Every single one of the brexiters complaints is down to Tory/New Labour policies. Immigration and the EU has had next to nothing to do with it. Brexit being a total xxxx up might just be the catalyst to getting some proper change in this country, it might just wake up some people who frankly need some home truths.

[0762]

It will also 'break up the union' Jim and we can finally leave these Little Englander 'jokers' to go n play with themselves! I'd be glad to see the back end of that irritating brexit clown, Rees-Mogg but there are many others who are absolute shameless bastards and are possibly worse than him!

[hibeejim21]

What union ? That was hoored out for cash to a bigoted group of extremists in a british province, who hold us now for ransom.

No more pontificating about the UK. I've never felt so ashamed to be british.

[hibeejim21]

So we finally have a deal, after months of pointless grandstanding and farcical preparation the EU got everything they wanted.

"In the absence of agreed solutions, the United Kingdom will maintain full alignment with the rules of the Internal Market and the Customs Union"

Basically we are still in the single market in everything but name only. NI has been given special status, their citizens can have EU citizenship and the province is basically a special economic zone. Whoopee-doo. What a slap in the face to the rest of the UK.

I don't agree with farage about anything,but he's right when he says "the trade talks will bring our next humiliation".

[hibeejim21]

Interesting analysis from the irish times

The great surprise of the text of the joint report is that its language is actually much more favourable to Ireland that the text that was leaked on Monday as having been agreed. The language that caused the Democratic Unionist Party to threaten hellfire and damnation suggested that there would be continuing “regulatory alignment” between the two parts of Ireland. What we’ve actually ended up with is much firmer and clearer - and it explicitly invokes the customs union and the single market as the source of these regulations: “In the absence of agreed solutions, the United Kingdom will maintain full alignment with those rules of the Internal Market and the Customs Union which, now or in the future, support North-South cooperation, the all-island economy and the protection of the 1998 Agreement.”

The phrase “in the future” is crucial - it means that every single change in the EU’s rules will have to be mirrored north of the border. But this is now the wooden horse inside the walls of Troy because, to avoid the idea of Northern Ireland becoming a separate regulatory space, there will also have to be the same mirroring of the rules and regulations that continue to apply in Northern Ireland by the UK as a whole. The mathematics are simple: if A equals B and B equals C, then C equals A. A is Ireland’s position in the single market and customs union, B is Northern Ireland’s full alignment to that position and C is the UK’s commitment not to differ from Northern Ireland. The commitment to have no barriers to east-west trade means that London is effectively a prisoner of Belfast."

[spireitematt]

I don't think its over. I won't be surprised if there is another referendum in 2025 asking Britain if we want to join the United States of Europe. Obviously the answer to that should be no.

[0762]

I still don't think brexit will happen. I reckon the Tory party will implode in the coming months and with it, the government! I think a lotta Tories now realise they are in for one 'almighty fall from grace' and many of them will loathe being associated with such a huge historical failure called brexit - they don't wanna jump over the cliff with their RW compatriots and into political oblivion! Human nature prevails! And Northern Ireland is still the 'fly on the ointment'!