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Not sure we should use extrapolations of results to declare winners and losers!! I saw one take on this where it suggested that virtually all those who would vote yes turned out and virtually all those who would vote no didn't, so another extrapolation could easily create a different result!!
The only outcome of this should be a proper referendum with no oppression from Madrid and with proper debating opportunities for both sides and let the people of Catalan determine their future. No different to the Scottish referendum and Brexit.
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02-10-2017, 20:34
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A statistician can 'weight' a result accordingly and I'd bet a wad of money that you still could not alter the yes vote affirmative anyway!!!! That's precisely why the Madrid govt have blocked any move for a referendum and suppressed the opinion poll info on the vote being in favour of self-determination. Their officials even tried to poo poo the Scottish referendum and the authenticity of poss EU referendum for one main reason and that was because of a similar simmering political situation in Catalonia where I've recently discovered a lotta reference by Catalans and local media to the similar quest for independence by a significant proportion of voting people in Scotland.
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Lies, damn lies and statistics!! I have no doubt that the likely result would be a yes vote, especially after the tactics used by the Spanish Government through this whole thing!! But it still needs to be done right, with proper campaigning, debate, complete freedom to vote and an election where the results actually mean something and can be trusted as correct.
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03-10-2017, 23:33
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With an intransigent controlling and antagonistic Spanish government behaving like General Franco's old regime!! How naive preaching the democratic way in such a situation. Waken up FFS St Charles Owl, you're starting to irritate esp in such an intractable position where the Catalonian govt wanted to follow the due process objectively and in the proper way. Define democracy when dealing with a shit govt that will not follow a pragmatic process of negotiation and concession as we discovered up here in 2014 with some of the snide comments against poss Scottish self-determination coming from reps of the same Spanish govt that clearly had it's own negative agenda re the future prospects of the Catalans! IMO Spain made a 'massive mistake' against a peacefully orchestrated referendum campaign and it's reckoned that independence will be declared early next week. Bluff and bluster? We shall see!!
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03-10-2017, 23:54
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Using the Guardia Civil as thugs to beat up women and men, storm polling stations, steal ballot boxes and shoot at crowds injuring hundreds of people is illegal.
Madrid have made a pigs ear of this,with the monarch wading in doing nothing to calm the situation - quite the opposite. It will only lead things in one direction.
I was relatively neutral about catalonia's independence claim but if they declare independence now good on them. You can hardly blame them.
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That guy is a complete idiot. This could and should have been handled a lot better from spains perspective.
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He'll have time to repent at leisure if there turns out to be any extremist reaction to his stupidity. It's not that long ago that the likes of ETA were a thorn in the side of the Spanish authorities and they are now making strongly worded pronouncements on the Catalonian referendum.
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09-10-2017, 00:04
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Aye! I concur that a perpetrator like Rajoy has been losing the political battle as soon as his antagonistic plans were hatched and violence and aggression against a peaceful campaign of self-determination was part of this strategy. The biggest disappointment for me was the lame response from certain officials of the EU and also the poor reaction from the British govt, which was nothing short of a disgrace with their own inner politics playing part in not objectively condemning the violence and even poss pulling in the Spanish Ambassador. It's no coincidence that Nicola Sturgeon was one of the few UK political leaders who 'called it as it is' and, by gum, the role of the bbc and much of the UK media (they are running an anti Scot indy ref 2 campaign on British govt orders, no doubt!!!!!) was astounding in the way they deliberately relegated the 90% yes result and hardly ever reported on Catalonia until about 16 September. The Guardian newspaper was one of the few news agencies who reported the referendum result at the front of their headline and report! The National newspaper up here in Scotland did the same as well as following the referendum campaign and detailing it with great interest.
