[0762]

Iistening to part of Corbyn's closing speech at his party's annual conference and I must say he may overhaul the Toerags meagre second place but no way do I see a Scottish Labour party led by one of two highly questionable characters, Anwar or Leonard, doing anything significant to challenge Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP who will indeed grow stronger, rather than weaker, after 'dusting themselves down' from a political disappointment that was not fatal and pushing on with a revised politic of governance and political thought re the future of Scotland, the 'best way forward'.

[hibeejim21]

I have some respect for corbyn now, I think he is a decent man and a fine orator who showed a lot of bottle trying to change the political narrative despite resistance from the establishment and his own party. That took guts, But he is misguided about Scottish labour...... it's a complete clusterfuck and has been for a while now.

I actually think that he is trying to change that with a coup to unseat kez with leonard,who is relatively inexperienced but a definite break from the "new labour" crew up here. I notice kez whinging and griping in the press but she has no room for complaint after her open treachery against the labour leadership.

If leonard wins and more flesh on the bone is added to the general gist of labours policy then I think its possible they could be revived in scotland. If new labour continue to sabotage their own party then its unlikely.

There are definite signs the SNPs appeal is waning a little, but I suspect independence will become a big issue again as brexit and the economy unfolds.

[0762]

Aye Jim. I share the same end sentiment and reckon that Nicola and the SNP are now 'biding their time' in preparation for the biggest f### up in British political history. Then they'll move with great purpose once they have the 'ammunition' to fire at a depleted British government and much to offer the Scottish electorate as 'the best way forward' for Scotland and not Little England!

[themaclad]

Just one thing for you a lot of Corbyn's policies are illegal under EU rules, given people on both sides of the Brexit argument voted for him, one side is going to be disappointed, wonder which one it will be, monies on Corbyn wants a hard Brexit, if you check out a video on You Tube by the last Bob Crow answering a question on Question Time you will know what I mean.

[hibeejim21]

They are not illegal under eu "rules"

[themaclad]

Have to disagree on that

[spireitematt]

Maclad is right. Certain things such as Nationalisation is illegal and not allowed. The EU are very free market.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/20...le-were-eu

[hibeejim21]

Nope. Article 345 makes it quite clear nationalisation can be allowed.

EU law means that all industries must be open to competition BUT that doesn’t mean that the state cannot own these industries. All of the mechanics of railways companies, such as assets, budgets and accounts, must be kept separate from the state. The provider of the rail infrastructure must have clearly separate accounts from those in the passenger service.

But this has been no impediment to the state’s ownership of rail passenger and infrastructure services across Europe. All these countries do is establish holding companies for which they provide the funding..... like in france and germany.

In short there is plenty of leeway for labour to enact their plans and stay in the single market...should they want to.