[Maddix]

I don't quite get why Brexit went to a Referendum anyway.
There's 650 MPs who the Public vote for to make these decisions for us (commoners). Every one of them have access to accurate statistics spelt out for them by the Treasury etc. Instead, though, we get twats like Boris Johnson, George Osborne giving the commoners false information, and nothing is done to stop them. There was nothing to stop Johnson from telling us we'd all be millionaires if we came out, or that we'd send all the nasty Poles back home. Nobody corrects them when they talk bollocks, so how are the Public supposed to know what's best?

It's pretty irrelevant in my book. Parliament (the 650 ish) decided to throw the vote to the people, as they did when we first joined what was essentially a free trade agreement with our European neighbours back in the early 70's and also a couple of years later in the mid 70's when Teddy got kicked out on the back of it. Just because they didn't get the result they wanted doesn't mean they can say "ah well, we didn't really mean it and we've changed our minds because we didn't expect this and it's all for your (sic) own good".

This shit about not going through with it, started by the Lib-Dems, is appalling It actually tells people that their vote is not worth a wank

and the same wankers will be moaning about low turn outs at future elections as if our opinions and votes actually mean anything

and no, Boris did not sway me in any way I can see for myself what the EU brings to me

[peiowl]

We could go back and forth ad infinitum SCO but I think we've both made our points. I see Trump as a dangerous and reprehensible individual, Hillary who has made some poor judgement calls but fundamentally decent. Trump imo has nothing of value to offer, only negatives. You seem to think he might do some good though it's not clear to me what that would be. Best to leave it there.


Question: if Hillary was a bad candidate for the dems who would have been a good one? You said earlier that  bernie was too left. Biden would have been another establishment candidate??

[Imre varadi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S06nIz4scvI bring it on mother fuckers

[St Charles Owl]

We could go back and forth ad infinitum SCO but I think we've both made our points. I see Trump as a dangerous and reprehensible individual, Hillary who has made some poor judgement calls but fundamentally decent. Trump imo has nothing of value to offer, only negatives. You seem to think he might do some good though it's not clear to me what that would be. Best to leave it there.


Question: if Hillary was a bad candidate for the dems who would have been a good one? You said earlier that  bernie was too left. Biden would have been another establishment candidate??

I see trump no differently than you do, he is everything you said he is. I just have to live here, my job is reliant on a decent economy, particularly construction, so I sit in hope that he doesn't take the whole country down the shitter because that would likely see me and a lot of others out of work. I can't be a person who wishes him to fail, no matter how bad I think he is, because if he fails then we all fail!!!!

As regards Hillary, I am still amazed that Biden didn't run!! My point about Hillary was if the dems had put up any fairly moderate, clean-ish candidate then they would have won. Hillary's problem wasn't so much the establishment issues, it was the serious other baggage that came with her. Any politician could be accused of being the establishment, only Hillary can be accused of what she did!!

[peiowl]

I get where you're coming from SCO. When I say I don't want Trump to succeed, I'm referring to his racist, sexist, xenophobic, anti-immigration, pro life, and all his other paraphernalia of far right progroms (spelled correctly in this case).

I don't want the American economy to tank either, both for the sake of all my friends living in the U.S. and because whenever America sneezes, Canada catches a cold. So good luck to all the hard working Americans (ex pat or otherwise) such as yourself but bad luck to Trumpology.

I too wish Biden had run. Elizabeth Warren would have been a better woman candidate than Hillary imo.

[Washington]

As regards Hillary, I am still amazed that Biden didn't run!!  My point about Hillary was if the dems had put up any fairly moderate, clean-ish candidate then they would have won.  Hillary's problem wasn't so much the establishment issues, it was the serious other baggage that came with her.  Any politician could be accused of being the establishment, only Hillary can be accused of what she did!!
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I think the issue was that Biden's son died relatively suddenly from cancer around the nominations were being made and that he wasn't up to standing.

[BBB]

I will add my tuppence worth - why when we voted out - why is it taking two and half years to get out and still have to pay a yearly subscription costing £millions - why not just walk out. Is there anything they can do if we do that? Not sure. Can anyone enlighten me?

[St Charles Owl]

I will add my tuppence worth - why when we voted out - why is it taking two and half years to get out and still have to pay a yearly subscription costing £millions - why not just walk out. Is there anything they can do if we do that? Not sure. Can anyone enlighten me?

I believe the rules of the EU states that we must be out within 2 years of signing Article 50. So the clock starts ticking as soon as May sign that. This is the 2 year period for negotiating how we get out and how we interact with the EU after we are out.

[Jacko The Flopsy Piglet]

The problem as I see it is that it's easy to say we want to be out of the EU but no-one seems able to decide what we do once we've left. I'd rather be patient and get the right result for the country in the long term than jumping the gun and ending up with a setup/deals that may end up leaving everyone worse off. Surely no-one thought everything would just change overnight!

[Maddix]

Quiet on here when does the rounders season start