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Nothing dismissive about it mate. You are making your point that the EU is wasteful and corrupt ? I think? And i'm trying to point out thats not necessarily so when you weigh it up.

The EU is ultimately responsible for its own budget for sure,but the majority of the spending is implemented by member countries and they often make programmes that add to the complexity of the spending. Thats shown in the report.

Spending is at what £110 billion ?, That's a few billion less than what the UK spent on the NHS which is also subject to what you might call 'substantial' fraud every year.

There is definitely improvements required to get the figures nearer the threshold, but you could say the same about a lot of large organisations. Weighing up 11 fraud cases (of which we don't know the full details) against the benefits of what the EU provides to the UK is pretty easy, 3000 pounds a year to the average british family according to the CBI.

Lets see how the squeaky clean tories plug that gap.

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They won't and we already know the projected financial 'hit' on every family in the UK for the next ten years after brexit. IMO we need another forced referendum now that most of the UK population have been reasonably enlightened on the implications of brexit contrary to the shit and lack of proper info preceding the 2016 one eg not one single political individual or party had the gumption to even mention the issue re a hard Irish border and that says it all for me. My interpretation of brexit is that it represents chaos, discrimination, racism and misogyny!! it is time to rectify a wrong and get back to normal service asap esp with the current confused British govt which is full of shit heids! Another referendum vote would be a landslide REMAIN and a victory for the 'silent majority' in this country and contrary to the shit insinuation that it would be a close run vote - utter crap!

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It's amazing how badly the UK government has approached brexit. After the 'fudge' in December, they'd have known the EU was going to have to present a draft treaty before the March summit, not least because the EU told them exactly that was what they were going to do....and they have in great detail

The fudge was always going to struggle to survive because as we have discussed already it cant possibly keep everyone happy. So the UK should have taken the opportunity to write their own draft treaty and presented that first sweetening the options mentioned in December into as fudge friendly a language as possible to avoid this blow up. Isn't the first rule of negotiations involving treaties or new contracts to have them attempt to amend your document, rather than you having to amend theirs? I think it is. They are making a real xxxx of this, probably deliberately.

My feeling is still that May has decided she can't deliver a brexit deal which will get through her whole party, so her only option is to 'let' the EU present one she can tart up as the next best thing or she's forced to crash out with no deal to appease the brexit loonball fringe.....Or completely cave in to the EU in the summer.

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Well listening to May's speech today, it looks like she will give full EU access to UK fishing waters - a 'bargaining tool' and I hope Scottish trawler men start 'smelling the coffee' re toerags and false promises!! Also remember May's speech last year and 'we are leaving the single market'! Au contraire after today's speech! I believe May and her cohorts believed the stern EU comments were just rhetoric and the EU would 'come around' eventually!? Not the the case and the EU officials were never playing these cheap, shameless political games played by lightweight British politicians for years! How foolish and naive but unsurprising.

[hibeejim21]

The US is offering Britain a worse “Open Skies” deal after Brexit than it had as an EU member, in a negotiating stance that would badly hit the transatlantic operating rights of British Airways and Virgin Atlantic.British and American negotiators secretly met in January for the first formal talks on a new air services deal, aiming to fill the gap created when Britain falls out of the EU-US open skies treaty after Brexit, according to people familiar with talks.The talks were cut short after US negotiators offered only a standard bilateral agreement. Under its terms all main UK-based carriers would have reduced access to the US market because they would not meet the criteria for ownership and control. One person attending the London meetings to “put Humpty Dumpty back together” said: “You can’t just scratch out ‘EU’ and put in ‘UK’.” A British official said it showed “the squeeze” London will face as it tries to reconstruct its international agreements after Brexit, even with close allies such as Washington.


https://www.ft.com/content/9461157c-1f97...d3483b8b80

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Better with the 'devil that you know' than wandering blindly into these kinda clandestine agreements where the big loser is gonna be the UK! Time for another referendum asap!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43294041
Meanwhile in Italy the election results totally transform the political landscape and I just luv this Five Star Movement that classifies itself as the 'anti-establishment party'!! Why is there no new political party in the UK to sell the anti-establishment line and try try to 'blow away' the Tories and Labour for that matter!!? That would be a 'breath of fresh air' but it prob wouldn't work anyway in this media dominated country where the majority of the press/media is driven by the establishment and not by the people/the population!

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People seem to forget that the EU is one of the guarantors of the good Friday agreement, they aren't going to just give snarlene foster what she wants (seemingly a USA/Canada style border) because she is pure staunch and keeping the tories in power.

The source of the problem with the border is the choice May supports of leaving the CU, SM and ECJ. She broke it,she should fix it. If not the EU fallback position will be adopted. Also note these issues have still to be voted on in parliament so she has no mandate at this point. The UK makes a unilateral decision on one international treaty that breaches it obligations on another and it requires the other parties to both treaties to solve the problem for the UK ? I don't think so.


"All Danish businesses are more concerned with keeping the integrity of the internal market than any loss of UK market access."

Guess the danes wont be saving our bacon either eh ?

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I notice that Tory 'rag', the Daily Mail, has described the Scottish govt's move to legally block the brexit Withdrawal Bill, as the 'wrecking bill'! And let us all hope it wrecks well eh! Of course, it will give these toerags, and all the other RW backers of the brexit fiasco, somebody to blame when it all goes 'tits up' - the nasty EU, the SNP, Gina Miller etc.
When the RW media report the UK reply to Scot ministers' decision to have a vote on the issue of having a democratic vote (unanimous btw!) in the Scot Parliament, it comes out like this:-

Two completely different approaches to reporting it:
1. The Scot govt more or less described as 'terrorists' by having a consultation and a democratic vote - after all, we were an unwilling partner in a cobbled together 2016 EU referendum, one that had been assured of continued EU membership by the shameless unionist 'decepticons' of 2014!
2. The UK govt allowing no vote or consultative engagement whatsoever thereby becoming the Guardians of the Universe by doing whatever they want, to whom they want, when they want because the UK custodians are protecting us from those b###### SNP people.

The media have this 'special democracy soap' that they wash their crap in the hope of cleaning the dirt, grime and scum off what they print and report!

[hibeejim21]

https://www.parliament.uk/documents/comm...iefing.pdf




Any government enacting this madness is taking huge risks with ordinary peoples lives . Forget about whether you know your MEPs name or not and check out "Net increase in borrowing about £20bn under EEA type deal and up to a whopping £120bn with a WTO no deal".

Absolute madness.

NHS to get 350 million a week ? Not a chance.

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https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britai...KKCN1GO005

Add these latest no deal losses to the huge overall financial hit that is gonna unfold on the British economy and we're not talking 'small money' either. What surprises me is the lack of serious organised protest rallies in eg London, Westminster to absolutely condemn brexit out of hand and make it a national protest!!!! There must be huge opposition in the country to the brexit fiasco that is being continually observed for month after month after month...... and yet the population appears to be passive towards it while other nationalities can organise a serious protest re Turkey's incursions against Kurds in Syria and 'be noticed'!