[Terrier1987cas]

Quick note on here:
Spent 5 days in France and the English fans were the worst I encountered. Half of the folk who made it to the fan park for the Russia game could barely stand by kick-off and spent the majority of it either facing away from the screen singing 'I wanna go home' or '10 German bombers' - on a side note what a pathetically bad song '10 German bombers' is. Also our lot look like hooligans from the offset - whereas other countries are all proudly sporting their colours our lot are sporting their Stone Island jackets and Adidas Gazelle trainers. I'm very glad I spent my money watching other teams and enjoying the really good, positive atmospheres their fans created. Iceland were un-be-bloody-lievable.

This isn't an anti-England post. I like Hodgson and think we've actually done okay, and support England, although I lose zero sleep when we lose. I just don't get the hysteria over our great fans when for me they were the worst set of fans I saw over there...

Good comments and interesting to see an alternative view from someone else 'on the ground'! It's the kinda cringeworthy stuff that I've witnessed in years gone by and I certainly never thought it had disappeared even though the English FA have tried hard to change things for the better.

Ask Cas which England games he went to or where he watched the England games before you decide who is 'on the ground'

Never claimed to have gone to any England games, I'd rather watch neutral teams than England TBH as I've no real interest in international football. My opinions are 100% bases on what I saw in Paris, St Etienne and Lyon, and I watched the first 2 England games in the Paris fan park where there were thousands of England fans both times - that's a broad enough sample to build an opinion on IMO. The fans watching England at the games might be wearing their colours all the time and not singing moronic songs like '10 German bombers', but I couldn't comment on that. Certainly on TV you never see a 'wall of colour' at an England game like you do for most of the other teams.

It wasn't a dig at you Cas, I know you've been on a bit of a tour around France. I've been telling people as it is in the City's and the grounds where England have been playing and the guy seems to think I'm talking rubbish.
The wall of colour is very difficult when you play in white, compared to the stand out colours of Red,Blue Green and yellow but the vast vast majority of England fans that I've seen have been wearing England gear, not bumped into many wearing stone island

In that case maybe the folk following England around are a bit more sensible (apart from the fact they willingly chose to follow England around ) and the lot I saw might have just been consigned to Paris. The worst example was me sitting at a table in my England shirt with my 2 new mates from Stuttgart enjoying a stein when some pissed up clown decided to come over and ask why I was drinking with N-a-z-i-s.