(12-06-2016, 18:27)St Charles Owl Wrote:(12-06-2016, 13:24)Devongone Wrote: Much as I love tournament football, and much as I'd hate to disappoint lovely, decent Roy Hodgson who is doing his best to give us a team we can watch, genuinely support and in which we can feel a little silly nationalistic pride, I'd like to see us unilaterally withdraw from the tournament and issue an apology to the French people.
If some of our fans weren't acting like pricks Russian Ultras wouldn't feel there was anything to gain by attacking innocent fans.
Other countries might even follow our lead. After all they seem pretty quick to adopt the same ludicrous behaviour patterns.
Sorry Devon, I think that's nonsense regarding withdrawing from the tournament!! That is just playing into the hands of the trouble makers and gives rival teams fans a perfect way to get a country banned.
And no country would follow our lead, they would then be saying thank god the English are taking all the blame for this and sit by holding their hands innocently in the air!!!
(12-06-2016, 11:33)0762 Wrote: I'm guessing the first event in Nice is an isolated incident that can happen at any venue - apparently a bottle thrown by a local youth and that 'sparked' the prob with this gang of local youths in Nice. I'm not reading about ensuing violence through the night and will be very surprised if this scenario arises. The other incident was again an isolated one but, as hibeejim says, there is some previous bad blood between factions of extreme RW Polish fans and elements of NI 'prodyinspired' fans who I hope are in a minority within the mix of NI fans who wanna see their team doing well for a change.
So now trouble elsewhere, surely this too is the fault of the England fans isn't it??? Obviously I am being flippant but now you say this one is an isolated incident that can happen anywhere, politically motivated but it's ok because unlike England fans, most NI fans wanna see their team do well!!! In actual fact the common denominator seems to be the local French ultras and youths, been involved in both cities now. We will see more of this going on, now let's see how it gets reported, if at all.
Comparing the awful events in Marseilles with the recent clashes in Nice is absolute nonsense and you know this is the case!!! This is a cute technique of deception and deflecting away from the 'English problem', which is self-evident and more significant than you wanna admit! Devongate summarised the English fans' problem eloquently enough in one of his previous threads and it's noticeable that you only wanted to focus on his suggestion of a unilateral withdrawal by the English FA! As previously commented, there is a problem with certain factions of English fans and it's no surprise the initial flashpoint involved England fans. The prob is multi-layered and there are so many factors attached to unsavoury elements of English fans - racism, sectarianism, antagonism, drunkenness, intimidation, English right-wing patriotism which is very unhealthy and the worst ones move around in mobs of yobbos who strive to create a poisonous atmosphere that could erupt into violence at any time and will react violently at the slightest provocation rather than ignoring it and walking away.