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Labour Leadership Contest
I tend to think Starmer has made a solid start for labour, he's undeniably pulled things back to the centre ground which is probably where they need to be but by the same token his weaknesses are coming more to the fore now. He isn't a good speaker, and is very uncharismatic.  its hard to see him being a very good campaigner.  He has also opted to wage war on the left instead of 'unify' which will undoubtedly have consequences down the line.

The elephant in the room of course is that England is a mostly a very conservative country with right wing values that do not jive with the labour memberships views. Blair managed to pull off that juggling act with the help of Black Wednesday and the papers behind him, but he was a highly combative politician as well. The papers have mostly been very kind to Starmer as they are just delighted he's not corbyn - but hate him or not corbyn actually had policies and a political base of support - but now there are signs that the press are losing patience with Keir sit on the fence attitude.

I had to laugh at him piping up about times now being like post war Britain and we cant go back to how it was before....but his solution to tap into that spirit is loans for small business and investment bonds Laugh Laugh

The tories are going to get a major boost from the vaccine roll out, and I can see difficult times ahead for him. That ITV piece looked like he doesn't take criticism well. Better get used to it mate!
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Labour Leadership Contest - by spireitematt - 03-01-2020, 23:26
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RE: Labour Leadership Contest - by 0762 - 08-01-2020, 00:49
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