23-06-2020, 01:52
(23-06-2020, 01:01)hibeejim21 Wrote:(23-06-2020, 00:14)spireitematt Wrote: You talk about Labour in Scotland but the thing is Labour in Scotland will only get one maybe two seats in General Elections from now on. I watched a segment on the news back in 2017 during the election and it was asking people in Scotland which way they were going to vote and majority of them said SNP. A lot of the younger generation in Scotland are pro-independence, Nationalistic and don't class themselves as British or unionists. A lot of them won't even remember a Labour Government.
Before 2015, the SNP didn't get into double figures of seats in Westminister and it was because of the 2014 referendum which changed that.
2015 - 56
2010 - 6
2005 - 6
In 2017 they got 35 seats which was down by 21 and in the 2019 election they got 48 which was up 13.
If or when Scotland goes because it's only going to be a matter of time before Scotland does leave the Union and if or when that does happen then it will start a debate with Ireland and a debate with Wales as well.
The question is Matt, how much more do people have to see before thinking 'wait a minute - we can do this better ourselves' ? Post Brexit Westminster is going to be one of the most right wing, English nationalist governments ever. Running a trumpian version of Singapore.
Most Scots are politically centre left. Whats the chances of getting that kind of government now unless we go it alone ? Corbyn nearly pulled it off in 2014 and I likely would have given his coalition a chance but now the tories have an 80 seat majority......
I don't know how much more people have to see before they wake up. I wouldn't call this Government 'English nationalistic' because there are people in England who have had enough of them and want them out. The Tories govern in the party's interest and not the country's interest. It was 2017 that Corbyn nearly pulled it off and he didn't have enough to create a coalition as the Tories were still the largest party. Yes the Tories do have an 80 seat majority but a lot of those seats are in marginals and I have read a lot of the MPs who won seats in 2019 who got elected for the first time in places which were stronghold Labour seats for years are very fearful of their seats at the next election because of the direction the Government is going in.
I can't see Johnson being the leader or PM at the next election in 2023/2024. There is one party which is making a resurgence in British politics and that's the SDP. I've read their policies and I agree with a lot of them and I believe if they were to stand at an election they would win seats as they have sensible left and right wing policies which make sense.
The only problem is politics has become very tribal over the last 5 years and too many people have the 'I'm alright jack' attitude and if they aren't facing hardship then they think no one else is. I think the media, newspapers, political correspondents for certain news channels have a lot to answer for because they don't report the full story they report narratives or only what they want to report.
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