[hibeejim21]

Yes, Tony Blair if you like.  Labour needs to win an election if it wants to make changes to the way the country is run, and putting up candidates from the left of the party will see them continue to lose.  What more important, appealing to the middle ground or having Tory government after Tory government??  Its no different to the choice the Yanks have, go with Bernie and lose or go with a more moderate Biden and have a shot at winning in November.  Make changes from a position of power not opposition!!

I get what you're saying, I think any kind of labour government will do right now and would be better. But.

That then turns into hold yer nose and vote for the least worst option. My take is that if we continually let the 'good guys' away with being a minor, gradual change from the 'bad guys', they have no incentive to improve and never will. They'll only offer you slightly better terms, not the opportunity for something far greater. Force them to move away from dishing up more of the same though, and you might get something better for everyone.

Thats the problem with labour now, most of the votes they need to win over are quite happy to vote tory, and likely will do again. And they aren't 'centrists' I don't think, the working class in England is fairly right wing and nationalist I think. The 'centrist' parties remember picked up less than half of the votes than corbyn did at the last election.

For what its worth I don't think JC was too far off the mark policy wise, and his successor should note that. Just try and deliver the message better, and take the tories to bits in parliament. I think Starmer can do that, but if he ends up trying to be another Nick Clegg they are likely finished for the next generation of voters.