15-01-2020, 19:37
(This post was last modified: 15-01-2020, 19:46 by St Charles Owl.)
(15-01-2020, 04:24)BouncingHibees Wrote: Since the last Indy referendum we've had 3 general election's, 3 prime minister's, and a Brexit vote, but somehow a Indy vote on Scotlands Scotlands descion whether to leave Brexit Britain is undemocratic, come on.
No one is suggesting its democratic or undemocratic, there is a process to follow to get Indyref2 and it seems the SNP is following that as they should. I maintain that Nicola is being cautious because the numbers are not yet guaranteed based on those elections results but as has been said that may not reflect on a referendum result the same but they are the only factual numbers anyone has to go by.
(15-01-2020, 11:59)hibeejim21 Wrote: "The last GE election returned a Tory party with a healthy majority and therefore a clear mandate to complete Brexit"
A clear mandate based on the deeply flawed first past the post system which discounts millions of votes. The tories won 43% of the vote at the end of the day.
fair enough England/wales voted to brexit, if you want to continue down that path to nowhere then I'm happy for that to happen. But I think Scotland should have the right to another vote now to see if we want to as well.
Scotland could have as many referendums as we want if a political party puts it in their manifestos and wins a mandate. That’s called democracy. That's what's happened here.
Why is Westminster going against that?
Of course its a deeply flawed system, its been like that forever and the arguments for and against FPTP have been discussed many times over the years!! Be thankful you don't have an electoral college like they do here is the US!!!
We could go down the road of having referendums on many topics forever but that would be such a colossal waste of money, money that could be used better to fund what is actually needed!! If you suggest that you can keep having a referendum until you get the decision you want then that is completely flawed as well. If you did that and eventually you would win one of them through complete apathy of the electorate, then after that I assume you would advocate continuing to hold them to see if you wanted to rejoin the Union?? That is nonsense!! When you eventually get your independence its going to be a long drawn our process to actual implement it, I would imagine it will be far more complex than the Brexit fiasco we are living through, so while I accept the premise of "once in a generation" it truly will be that if thats the chosen path, it won't be undone and will be a decision that many future generations have to live with irrespective of whether it works or not, just like we will see with Brexit.