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"Because she understood the electorate and understood why people voted Leave in the Referendum, she also warned Labour about a 2nd referendum stance yet she was ignored and look what happened. "


Or maybe she just voted with the tories so many times the people in her seat thought they might as well get the real thing and cut to the chase......We've done this to death now, you know full and well labour couldn't possibly have supported Brexit openly so it was down to her own choice in the end. I wouldn't say she is any great loss to the party.

Other MPs warned against a 2nd vote and kept their seats, Lisa nandy being one..... If flint had stood she wouldn't have made it past round one, because the labour membership is predominately pro-remain...As are most of the unions. Nandy at least tried to strike a balanced argument instead of blindly following the brexit vote.

Emily thornberry was not 'close to corbyn' either. She had been sidelined in the house by corbyn in favour of RLB after she clashed with him one time too many. Personally I think starmer will win, and he will be better at keeping the various strands of the party together than corbyn was...but he is probably going to need 2 terms to sort the party out.

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"If there was a real Brexit plan and there were proper contingency plans in place then Brexit could work "


If my auntie had balls she would be my uncle.

Brexit isn't about leaving the EU and making things 'work' matt. Thats the mistake we were all making, trying to understand some logic behind it. Nor was there any prospect of the EU standing by and allowing their market to be undermined - why the xxxx should they ?

It's an old fashioned, right wing money/power grab with the profits stashed off shore. Joe public will just have to take whatever shit gets thrown its way.

She is not a Tory and if you realise there is two lobbies the aye lobby and the noe lobby, there isn't a Tory lobby or a Labour lobby.

The Don Valley which was her constituency has been Labour ever since the seat existed in 1918 until now. Caroline Flint campaigned for Remain but the Don Valley voted in favour of leave and she excepted that but because Labour sat on the fence and tried to be all things to all people. The remain voters thought Labour was a leave party and the leave voters thought Labour was a remain party. In the end the Don Valley voted Conservative because they wanted to get Brexit over and done with as have a lot of former mining towns in the country.

You don't have to tell me that the Labour membership is pro-remain I already know but the thing is membership doesn't win elections but voters do. The next leader will be the candidate that Corbyn and Momentum get behind.

Starmer is the only one who currently stands out for me and he will very likely get my vote.