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People are saying if Labour had gone out for Remain they would have won the election. No they wouldn't, they would have got thrashed even worse. A lot of left wing commentators are saying it was Labour's stance on Brexit which made them lose the election, yes it was but also it was the fact that the electorate didn't like Corbyn and the fact is they thought the manifesto that Labour was proposing was too radical and unrealistic.

Labour need to ask themselves 3 questions:

1. What do we stand for?

2. Who do we represent?

3. Do we want to win elections?

The party has become so middle class and London centric and it's lost touch with it's roots and that probably started with Blair. Majority of the electorate don't care about things like 'self identification' they care about public services, housing, jobs, job security, the NHS, transport, the cost of living, crime, high levels of immigration, security of the country.

Labour need to talk about aspiration and ambition, they need to be the champions of small business, they should be a hand up not a handout. They need to be a vehicle for social justice and change, they need to help and look after the vulnerable and the least well off in society. They need to bring communities together and inject and renovate the big industrial towns which have been forgotten about and left behind but they shouldn't do that by gentrification because gentrification forces out people on the lowest incomes and the demographic and population then changes.

Actually matt looking at the statistics of that election labour lost more remain votes than leave. Obviously it was a really difficult call to make for Corbyn but he ended up taking way too long and looking shifty on such an important issue.

Starmer is going for leadership and If they have any plans to try and defeat the tories they need to elect him, he is the only credible candidate.