[hibeejim21]

Whichever way you want to allocate the names dumb and dumber to BJ and Corbyn, traditional Labour supporters voted with their feet that Corbyn could not be trusted with the top job!!  Corbyn found himself in between a rock and hard place with regards to Brexit, Labour constituencies in their droves vote to Leave but the Party officially wanted to remain, and throughout the last three years he has dithered time after time as to what his or the party line is with regard to the result and the way forward.  He needed to lead the party, he needed to make a decision where they stood on Brexit and then provide his leadership and justify why the party with him at the head of it was making this decision, and then he had to lead the party and fight for that position!!  But he ended up promising a new referendum to a population who clearly was fed up with it all and certainly didn’t want to drag it out with another referendum, he had to either back Brexit or back scrapping it, and he once again dithered as Wakey put it.

Agreed.

To be fair it was a rock and a hard place situation over brexit but I think if he'd taken a side Thursday could have been even worse. Views are too entrenched now.

Problem was the labour leader wasn't seen as credible, when asked why people gave the usual media soundbites. I think the labour manifesto which had great ideas was too ambitious, and people got a bit spooked.

Remember the pressure he was under from the moderates in his party to go 'remain'. They continuously broke ranks and undermined him.

Centrist politics in England is dead now, we have a very right wing government in power now. Like I said there are 2 different sets of labour voters, and 2 different sets of labour politicians. They need someone to unite them fast or they could be lost for good!