13-12-2019, 13:05
(This post was last modified: 13-12-2019, 13:35 by hibeejim21.)
(13-12-2019, 06:39)Amelia Chaffinch Wrote: Labour did cock up when they started ignoring their constituents. I know all parties did it to varying degrees but mostly labour.
My worry is what the Tories will be able to do now unopposed.
Btw Barnsley has remained labour but the brexit party ran my MP closer than I would like but not unexpected.
Amelia,
The problem they have is their vote is now split. They have the patriotic,working class,post industrial north/midland brexiters. And the metropolitan, immigrant,student remainers in the cities and big urban areas.
Finding someone who can speak to them both and keep the labour party together is going to be nigh on impossible. Corbyn got away with it last time because his fence straddling got the benefit of the doubt.
Also the current dumbed down,identity political landscape suits the tories and bojo more. Sadly, when this all goes tits up, the working class northerners who voted for Johnson will, unlike the bankers, be made to pay for the calamity that ensues
(13-12-2019, 02:01)0762 Wrote: Jim, I totally agree it is another hurdle to "jump over" when it eventually comes and the British state will "throw everything" at the Scottish populace to deter lotsa people again as experienced in 2014. I'm just curious to see how undemocratic Johnson and his fascist chums are gonna be because they are shit heids 100% with a shit heid agenda to ignore and tell Scotland to f### off - the words of our equal Unionist partner (NOT!) and we will be on a constitutional "collision course". It is clear we are two very different countries with totally different political values and directions - progressive, pragmatic governance v shameless fascists who should be nowhere near 10 Downing Street but it looks like England has been "landed" with these bastards AGAIN!! ALSO LOOKS LIKE THE SNP WILL JUST WIN SWINSON'S SEAT IN E DUNBARTONSHIRE - A BIG SCALP, FINGERS CROSSED!! One caveat re the Scot exit poll figures is there are still a few marginal seats to consider - I hope we win them all BUT IT LOOKS LIKE A "LANDSLIDE VICTORY" FOR THE SNP ANYWAY AND THE SCOTTISH PRESS ARE "GOING WITH IT"!
Scotland is now, essentially, an independent state.
Labour can't win without its old Scottish seats. And Labour can never be conservative enough for England. We are living with a one party government picked by a country other than our own. It can't continue, its unsustainable.
The UK is finished.