[hibeejim21]

The el paso killer wanted to murder as many Mexicans as possible. It was racially motivated.

This is what happens when your rhetoric is one of hatred and division, and when you stir up the thick as pigshit elements in society. You might get an electoral boost but there is always, always people suffering in the wake.

Especially when its mixed with an obsession with 'gun rights', based on something written in a time of war, when even a highly trained & disciplined 'professional' soldier would struggle to get off more than 3 rounds a minute, is nothing more than a 'national mental illness' (for want of a better description).

Agree with all of this but none of it solves the problems, in fact it does the opposite, it gives the gun lobby an excuse as to why this happened.  It wasn’t the guns fault, it was the individual behind the trigger who caused this and he was mentally deranged because he was a white supremacist.  The debate over here has already started to move away from gun control and has moved onto the current incumbent on Pennsylvania Ave and whether or not he is a racist or a white nationalist and whether he is to blame for this!!!  This has become something that the Democrats think can now be used to turn voters away from Trump and give them a better chance of removing him from office, certainly a worthy goal, but it does nothing for the ongoing slaughter of innocent people.  Clinton and Obama were in power for 16 years between them, yet neither of them did anything meaningful with regards to gun laws and control that made any difference, I have no reason to believe whichever of the Dems running for President will be any different and thats assuming they can beat Trump in the first place!!!

Reflect back to Barack Obama's position when he experienced worse gun crimes than these current ones! I can recall his speeches where he was genuinely outraged and saddened at the human loss but one could gauge that his "hands were tied behind his back" because of this strong power hold of the NRA and other supporters of "the right to defend oneself with a gun", a Wild West initiative that even he could not eradicate and move towards a huge reduction in gun ownership and stricter gun licensing regs re even carrying a gun at any time.

Obama quite clearly wanted to solve the gun crisis in America and wanted stricter controls and more accountability from the gun industry, trump has no interest at all in tackling the issue and is already playing the mental health card to excuse this white supremacist.

Remember this latest disgrace comes hot on the heels of him telling fellow politicians to "go home".