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British car manufacturing had actually been doing very well over the last 20 years, entirely down to foreign investment and easy access to the EU marketplace. Certainly nothing to do with the tories policies!

Nissan will quietly shut Sunderland now by simply refusing to retool as models come to the end of manufacture. Same applies to Toyota at Derby.

But I guess these communities voted for this so they can't complain too much when their jobs xxxx off to Slovakia.

Yeah but these are foreign brands. When was the last time we had a proper British make actually built in Britain? Rover/MG? Land Rover/Jaguar are owned by the Indians after they bought them out in 2008. One thing which annoyed me was when BMW Williams bought the Mini brand off Rover because I thought they would build the originally design of the mini, instead they built the Mini on steroids.

What I mean Hibeejim is this country was built on industry when you look at the past. We built cars, famous for steel, the Clyde built ships, we had coal mines, textile mills as well and all that's gone. We've lost a lot of factories while being in the EU where they have relocated to Slovakia and Poland because it's cheaper.

What have we got now? We've got nothing, it doesn't matter if we stay in the EU or leave the EU because we will have nothing then either.