16-01-2019, 20:11
(This post was last modified: 16-01-2019, 20:13 by hibeejim21.)
(16-01-2019, 19:39)spireitematt Wrote: A Tory woman MP stood up and said in Parliament that this is Labour's fault because if Labour and Corbyn had campaigned hard enough for Remain then we would be remaining in the EU and we wouldn't be where we are now. It was a free vote. Who gave the referendum in the first place? It wasn't Jeremy Corbyn it was David Cameron. The Tories have messed this up and they have the audacity to blame Labour and other people.
The press will help them reinforce that impression matt. Whilst his stance has disappointed me I don't blame him particularly for what happened. This is a tory made disaster.
(16-01-2019, 19:45)Devongone Wrote: It is slightly bizarre to vote massively against everything a government has done for over two years and then to decide you have full confidence in them. How badly would a government have to do for these people to have no confidence in them.
Government in America is shut down, here it is unable to pass a stool. You can see why the rest of the world blanches when we tell them to copy western democracy.
I said all along it was No Deal or No Brexit. I can see how out of apparent sheer stupidity we accidentally fall into No Deal, but I can't outguess the process or rebellion that would be required to reach No Brexit (but I still think it's the big favourite, because I don't believe the people or Parliament really matter). Concepts like "the will" and "sovereignty" are only the wallpaper to be stripped once the shit has actually hit the fan.
All this for a referendum called to keep the Tory Party together ......... and now they are worried the unexpected result is going to destroy them. Hey ho!
All we can say with certainty right now is that legislation shows we drop out with no deal on Mar 31st.