[hibeejim21]

Just a few thoughts about the continuing debacle that is Brexit.

The Brexit that we are being led into is most certainly not the Brexit I voted for, mainly because of the calamitous ineptitude of the Tory negotiations and the refusal of the EU to consider anything other than their dictatorial version of Brexit.

I feel that a Brexit deal is still unlikely to happen because either Westminster will not agree to the terms or at least one of the EU countries will not agree to it.

I honestly feel that the voters should be given another referendum to decide to Remain or Leave after the terms are known, BUT only the voters who voted the first time round, in order to properly guage the undoubted change of opinion in the country.

I did say right from the start that I expected the politicians to make a right balls-up of the process and it looks like it's coming to pass. As far as I'm concerned, Barnier is only ready to give a miniscule amount of leeway, because he'd much rather deal with May than with Johnson. Barnier is a wily old fox and he's been in control right from the start - be hard all the way and give a little at the end so it almost feels like the UK has won something.

Hopefully I'll wake up next April and discover it's all been a Dallas dream.

Thats an interesting idea about the same voters getting the say next time ritchie and i agree with it in spirit but i doubt that democratically or logistically whether its possible.

From the off i've doubted whether the tories would even try for a deal, i still think thats a little charade they are playing. They know there is no negotiable path through this mess. The EU wants the withdrawal agreement to avoid a political nightmare, I reckon it has already drafted the only version that works months ago and May is the only one who can deliver it simply because of timing.

So May gets a lot of sweet talk about that totally laughable, ludicrous Chequers plan so that she can make it through the night. It costs the EU nothing because the actual negotiations about the future relationship come after the withdrawal deal. Then thats the time to shoot down the British delusions...... But by then the EU will have banked the withdrawal deal to seal the EUs position, in line with the actual legal constraints posed by EU law. Because thats key.

2 problems remain: 1) Who is going to take the hit on ireland and 2) May has to try and get the deal through parliament and past lunatics like bill cash and rees mogg.

As you say a 'continuing debacle'.

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I think my previous description of people like Fox, A DECEPTICON, is so accurate and apt that it should be added as a new word in the Oxford Dictionary! On a more serious note, someone must "take up the mantle" politically and seriously push for that "people's vote" because the public have definitely been conned re the whole EU question and the political shambles that followed merely confirmed that fact. We need a forceful political figure to push forward before the Tory party implodes before and after the Tory conference at the end of October.

Interestingly its been discovered that may knew that the electorate had been deceived and electoral law broken before she activated article 50 through parliament.

In whoever interests she is acting it isn't the british peoples.