[hibeejim21]

I agree that Brexit is the direct result of a spat within the British ruling class.

If we can't overthrow the British ruling class, what hope have we of ever overthrowing the European ruling class?

There has to be more chance of destroying Jacob Rees-Mogg, who looks and sounds like an escapee from a bad seventies sitcom, than a European ruling class protected behind its sinister wall of soothing words and arcane procedures.

Very early on in this process Mr Tusk told leaders of the other 27 countries, that if no deal were the outcome, the UK was unlikely to leave. As EU bureaucracy routinely takes the simplest matter to the wire no one will smell a rat as negotiations extend all the way to the moment we decide we have no choice but to blink. It's simply exercise of power.

As we are clearly going nowhere I'm wondering if it might be better to save face and vote to go nowhere.

I'm sorry, but your picture of a ruling class deliberately causing the collapse of public services is delusional. They are willing to fund the services we win to keep us in our place and maintain their position and way of life. If they didn't benefit we wouldn't have these things. If the risk of Brexit becomes too great for them then it simply won't happen. Their aim is the acquiescence of the many for the benefit of the few. They rule us because we let them. An old-fashioned grandee like Rees-Mogg really isn't in the business of risking his whole world for a quick buck.

I don't know quite why you describe it as my Brexit when I persistently tell you it won't happen. Currently I'd rate Brexit happening as slightly more likely than Hibs winning the Scottish Premiership or Chesterfield reaching the sixth round of the FA Cup. The attempts to save face and retain power will prove an interesting spectacle.

Oh so it's the EU deliberately xxxx up the negotiations ? Despite bojo,fox and co saying brexit would be the easiest thing in the world to achieve, despite the fact that its only recently that may has come up with anything remotely approaching a proposal (albeit one that does not deal with ireland,despite repeated warnings and the UK recanting their position from last december) Aye very good.

The tories are already running public services into the ground, and selling everything that moves. That is only going to continue post brexit, if you don't believe that then you really need to start doing some reading.

And when i said 'yer brexit' i was talking in a wider sense, not yours personally. But if you don't think its happening you are mistaken - may wants it in name only but she will think nothing about taking us out with no deal to appease the lunatic fringe, who will likely vote down anything the EU offers anyway.