[hibeejim21]

"During the referendum the EU should have done a lot more promotion of the good they do and the benefits that directly come to the UK through its membership and its status within it."



No that was for the UK political class to do,and very unpopular politicians chose to make it their message. It wouldn't have mattered too much anyway because the most popular press in the UK was full of the kind of reactionary nonsense that has led us here. Attacks on immigrants increased 3 fold in that referendum campaign.



'You do realise you pretty much called all 17.4 million people who voted Leave, uneducated and racist. '


You do realise the stats back that impression up ?

Anyone paying attention for about the past year knows it's no-deal, rock-hard, blame-the-furriner, bonfire-of-rights, Singapore-on-Sea Brexit that the powers that be in the tories want. Boris won the leadership contest he didn't take part in after all.....clever old him.

No one has explained a) what materially the EU have done to make their lives so shit and b) what the uk is going to do now to make it better?

Im not buying this 'lots of different reasons' patter at all. Sure some might voted brexit to stick it to cameron,but in the end they have just stuck it to themselves.

The way you talk about the EU though, you talk as if its this magical and wonderful thing.

When a law is passed in the EU, you wouldn't be able to revoke that law because all 28 member states, Commission, MEPs, Council of Europe etc would have to all debate it and vote the same way. Where as in the UK if you don't like something the governing party have done you can vote them out and a new governing party can undo what the previous governing party had done. Where as in the EU if a bad law or ruling is passed you can't undo it without everybody agreeing. Also the Commissioners don't have to listen to the citizens they can do what they want as they are unelected. Who voted for these 28 Commissioners? Because I certainly didn't and neither did you.

Also when we vote for our MEP, we are voting for the party not the MEP, I don't even know who my MEP is and neither probably do you. But I know who my MP is because I voted for them and their name was on the ballot paper.

"Also when we vote for our MEP, we are voting for the party not the MEP, I don't even know who my MEP is and neither probably do you. But I know who my MP is because I voted for them and their name was on the ballot paper."



Are you saying that the MEPs name and political party is not on a ballot paper ?