[spireitematt]

I'm not in favour of any 'dictatorship',certainly not the one running about in your imagination. No, just purely on a competency level the EU politicians run rings round the tories. I'd take anyone over those ****.

Basically i've tried to debate with you but i just really struggle to see what your position is. You voted remain,but you're a eurosceptic armed with an arsenal of farage scaremongering and downright inaccuracies about the EU and brexit. You seem more like a hard core brexiteer than someone who has reservations about EU membership.

One minute you bemoan the negotiators not being real people,with real jobs or businessmen,then you say you want lawyers running the thing (which they already are to a degree) like hague who isn't a lawyer ....and on and on and on. And of course the euro superstate that the UK could have vetoed anyway as a member.

Enjoy your twix.

I want a European Union or Partnership where all EU countries are in a trading union and countries can do there own trade deals with non-EU countries without the EU interfering. I want Europe to work together on Science and Energy and look at new ways to improve our World and atmosphere. We cannot be Little Britain looking inwards we have to look outwards and work with Europe and the rest of the World. I don't believe in a European Union with its own Parliament and MEPs and presidents and commissioners.

I think a mixture of people and politicians, business people and lawyers need to be doing the negotiations so that each sector is being represented in negotiations and not the Tories just doing it behind close doors and probably selling us down the river. I'm not a hard core Brexiteer and I'm not a staunch remainer either. I'm not a fan of Farage he's just a Tory by another name because that what UKIP are they are Tories by another name just more right wing.

Hague isn't a lawyer but he's a good negotiator and he was foreign secretary so he could help especially with it being a diplomatic process. The European Union first started off as a coal and steel community then it progressed to the common market which we joined and then it progressed to the European Community and then the European Union with its own Parliament and courts, surely its going to move into a European Superstate a federal Europe with open borders. It has it's own flag and its own anthem which is Ode to Joy and even its own currency. When the EU was set up there were 6 countries Belgium, France, Germany, Italy, Luxembourg and the Netherlands but its grown from 6 countries to 28 countries and they want to expand it even more to 32 countries and its just not feasible especially when 3 of the countries are holding up the rest. The UK, Germany and France put the most money into the EU and if we leave who will fill the void? Italy? The bigger it becomes the more unsustainable it will be and then eventually its own success will be its downfall.

The poorer countries which join the EU don't become any richer the citizens from the poorer countries migrate to the richer countries in the EU to work and live. It doesn't benefit the countries but the people.

The Euro doesn't help matters either. Look what the Euro has done to Greece.

Youth unemployment in EU countries are as follows:

Greece 43%
Spain 39%
Italy 36%
Portugal 25%
France 23%
Poland 14%
UK 12%
Netherlands 9%
Germany 6.4%

I will admit the EU have done some good things like the EU Working Time Directive. The Erasmus programme. Air travel is cheaper and you can bring back as much duty free as you want without paying import duties, brings tourism to the UK and people come to work in our NHS.

Deep down I don't think we will leave the EU because if we were going to leave we would have triggered Article 50 the day after the referendum instead of triggering it in March 2017. There will be another referendum and it will end up being remain and we will stay because eventually the people who voted to Leave will get fed up of hearing about Brexit and give up hope. If we do end up staying in the EU though I can see Anti-EU parties splitting the Labour and Tories vote share which will result in hung Parliaments and coalitions or minority Governments.