The joint blame argument is still strenuously applied St Charles Owl. I listened to a New York woman/RW political backer on the bbc who was clearly pro Trump and vigorously applied the democratic right to hold a meeting, albeit a white supremist one, and then laying in to the 'left wing' interferences and misdemeanours etc - in other words, using the age old 'defence' of the use of any kind of violence to suit her/their right-wing argument. The technique never changes as I become wiser and older in observing this crass methodology of presenting a 'lame case' and I must emphasise this woman was so irritating that the bbc presenter even challenged her with factual information that dispelled some of her weak defences that supported her populist view of racist and xenophobic life in America.