16-11-2016, 05:18
(16-11-2016, 02:16)peiowl Wrote: We could go back and forth ad infinitum SCO but I think we've both made our points. I see Trump as a dangerous and reprehensible individual, Hillary who has made some poor judgement calls but fundamentally decent. Trump imo has nothing of value to offer, only negatives. You seem to think he might do some good though it's not clear to me what that would be. Best to leave it there.
Question: if Hillary was a bad candidate for the dems who would have been a good one? You said earlier that bernie was too left. Biden would have been another establishment candidate??
I see trump no differently than you do, he is everything you said he is. I just have to live here, my job is reliant on a decent economy, particularly construction, so I sit in hope that he doesn't take the whole country down the shitter because that would likely see me and a lot of others out of work. I can't be a person who wishes him to fail, no matter how bad I think he is, because if he fails then we all fail!!!!
As regards Hillary, I am still amazed that Biden didn't run!! My point about Hillary was if the dems had put up any fairly moderate, clean-ish candidate then they would have won. Hillary's problem wasn't so much the establishment issues, it was the serious other baggage that came with her. Any politician could be accused of being the establishment, only Hillary can be accused of what she did!!