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What a good point and analogy Saint Charles Owl but I think one of the main differences was the fact that Sturgeon was a 'political stalwart in waiting' who was already very highly respected in Scottish political circles and in the country. Also it was a controlled move. This has been emphatically borne out, following that 'switch' of First Minister, as Nicola enhances her reputation as a very astute politician. The eventual Tory incumbent will be a definite lightweight MP and it wouldn't surprise me if this individual calls a snap election because of the NLP's unelectable status under Corbyn. It would be a calculated risk to gain the vote of confidence in England but IMO it still does not change the lightweight nature of some MP who should not be leading the country anyway!!! The shambolic circumstances have created the post, and particularly the unimpressive mess within the Tory party itself! 
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Slovak president offers to mediate Scotlands passage in to the EU.
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And the lying, racist leader of UKIP, Nigel Farage, picks an opportune moment to relinquish his position and 'disappear into the long grass' after being part of the most damaging and shameless group of people who have inflicted a huge blow to the political and economic stability of the UK. All part of the political shambles that we are witnessing!! 
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(04-07-2016, 11:46)0762 Wrote: And the lying, racist leader of UKIP, Nigel Farage, picks an opportune moment to relinquish his position and 'disappear into the long grass' after being part of the most damaging and shameless group of people who have inflicted a huge blow to the political and economic stability of the UK. All part of the political shambles that we are witnessing!!
So where do we go from here?? I spoke to a few people in the UK over the past week and those that voted leave are still adamant about carrying it through, even with all the "facts" that have emerged since!! So do the remain camp now hope May wins the Tory leadership battle and find a way to back track on all this or is it time for a concerted effort to begin the process and get the best possible deal we can?
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Just look at the vote stats which are near enough 50-50 - the UK is clearly a divided country and witness how a significant proportion of the population is intensly opposed to this result as we debate this issue. IMO time will not 'heal the wounds' and there is 'unfinished business' for millions of folk, particularly in England although lets not omit the ire of many in the Scottish electorate. I notice an international law firm in London intends to take the UK gov to court and challenge the legality of activating Article 50 of the Treaty! Lawyers trying to make a quick killing? Probably but they'll certainly 'muddy the political waters' even more!
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Personally I think the last thing we want is any sort of legal challenge to the result or the way it's put into place or not.
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His address at the EU showed him for what he is. A dangerous,arrogant mouthpiece.
Cameron,Nigel,bojo all the architects of this farcical situation have wandered off into the sunset. Thanks lads.
Meanwhile I note Easyjet are set to move their hq to the Eu, they wont be the last.
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In the last few years, Cadbury, Ford, Jaguar, Peugeot, Gillette, Texas Instruments and Hoover have all moved production out of the UK with the help of EU grants, not all to EU countries I might add. There are other examples too of the rape of British manufacturing by the EU and foreign-owned companies, so this has nothing to do with a Brexit vote. It's been happening for years.
The decision has been made, so we just have to get on with it and do the best we can. We certainly would like to do business with the EU and I'm sure EU countries would like to do business with us.
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Exactly. Some companies have been waiting for an excuse to do it, too.
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(05-07-2016, 10:56)ritchiebaby Wrote: In the last few years, Cadbury, Ford, Jaguar, Peugeot, Gillette, Texas Instruments and Hoover have all moved production out of the UK with the help of EU grants, not all to EU countries I might add. There are other examples too of the rape of British manufacturing by the EU and foreign-owned companies, so this has nothing to do with a Brexit vote. It's been happening for years.
The decision has been made, so we just have to get on with it and do the best we can. We certainly would like to do business with the EU and I'm sure EU countries would like to do business with us.
Germany alone exports over 40b to the UK and we export to them over 30b, there is no way both countries will allow that business to disappear, a deal will be found to secure the business that the UK does with the remaining EU countries and hopefully in the meantime trade deals can be completed with other countries outside the EU as well. The vote is done, its time to get on with sorting all this out.
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