[madsteve]

Ross Wallace is the PFA Fans Player of the Month for the SBC.

[Maddix]

I, personally, am not walking away from the club or making a splash on social media.

On a monthly basis, after bills, shopping and other commitments, I have round about £600 'play' money. It's quite difficult to convince the wife that we should blow a quarter of that by going to a football match.

3 x adult = £90 (daughter is 17 now)
1 x concession = £20 ???
2 gallons of diesel = £10

+ programs, pies, drinks = at least another £30

I don't begrudge those who do have the disposable income to be able to attend on a regular basis but I do get pissed off when they can't seem to grasp that not everyone has the same income as them and start berating people without actually knowing their circumstances.

The minimum wage has just been raised to £7.20. That means that for a lot of Wednesdayites one ticket is approximately six hours work after tax.

EDIT:

Sorry, the minimum wage is £6.70   Which makes it almost a full days pay for a ticket. The £7.20 is what is a 'so called' recommended living wage 

[Owlkev71]

Ross Wallace is the PFA Fans Player of the Month for the SBC.

Bizarre choice, he had one really good game v Fulham where he had 3 assists.

Nick Blackman of Reading scored 4 goals in 5 games.

[peiowl]

"On a monthly basis, after bills, shopping and other commitments, I have round about £600 'play' money. "

Next time I'm over I'll be sure to look you up Maddix. We can start of at the Travellers Inn, around the corner to the Plough, head up to the Raven, on to the Grapes.. Oh, just realized. Those pubs don't exist anymore. Well, you can show me all the new pubs in town. Cheers.

[Thurnscoe_OWL]

grapes is still there pei. I live across road from it

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also maddix, you can get u20 tickets for your daughter

[Statesideowl]

It just not feasible for a City predominantly made up of what's now dubbed "The working poor" to ever be able to afford any type of leisure activity on a regular basis.
The working class can now work a 40 hour week and STILL not be able to pay the bills, disposable income doesn't even exist to many people, the majority of poor people live an illusion, Credit Card swiping at an alarming rate has become the norm in order to exist.
So, with a large population of people already succumbing to debt in order to have bread on the table, they are going to spit their dummies out a bit when they finally get some leisure time to enjoy something they love, but can't really afford it..

This isn't down to DC ripping off fans or any of that bullshit, it's simply down to working wages never, ever matching the price of inflation, for decades. It's difficult for middle to upper classes to understand this at times because struggle isn't something they're akin to. There's often the disconnect thinking " If I can do it why can't you? you must not try hard enough!"

As for those fans that CAN afford it but are just whining for the sake of it, in order to cause upset and rock the boat. They need a damn good slap and should just stay away anyway as they're not fans.

Ranted and possibly digressed a bit. Apologies. IMO a lot of this could be solved by better working wages/conditions.

[madsteve]

I, personally, am not walking away from the club or making a splash on social media.

On a monthly basis, after bills, shopping and other commitments, I have round about £600 'play' money. It's quite difficult to convince the wife that we should blow a quarter of that by going to a football match.

3 x adult = £90 (daughter is 17 now)
1 x concession = £20 ???
2 gallons of diesel = £10

+ programs, pies, drinks = at least another £30

I don't begrudge those who do have the disposable income to be able to attend on a regular basis but I do get pissed off when they can't seem to grasp that not everyone has the same income as them and start berating people without actually knowing their circumstances.

The minimum wage has just been raised to £7.20. That means that for a lot of Wednesdayites one ticket is approximately six hours work after tax.

EDIT:

Sorry, the minimum wage is £6.70   Which makes it almost a full days pay for a ticket. The £7.20 is what is a 'so called' recommended living wage 

My point wasn't directed at anyone on this forum but on other forums there are people who are using the price increase as an excuse to totally stop attending matches when they can still attend 19 matches for the price they paid for 23 last season. These people are using social media to bash DC and hope to either get rid of him or make him change his policy regarding ticket prices.

I also think that many fans have changed their match day habits. We stopped buying a programme a few years ago. I don't see that paying an extra £3 adds anything that you cannot get online. Also many fans are being judicial about their eating & drinking at matches. The drinks & pies for £1 has been a great offer at SWFC this season and has made some matches end up cheaper this season for fans with families. Two Pie & Peas and two drinks for £4 has been a bargain yet I have seen queues outside the chip shop to pay more than double that price.

The truth is that football has moved away from its roots and at PL level it has moved even further than in the FL. If we get promoted then away tickets at £40-50 become the norm and many fans get priced out. The clubs know though that they will be replaced by more affluent fans that are prepared to pay PL prices to see PL players.

The outcry on some forums at charging £25 to see Arsenal was astonishing, particularly when compared to the Arsenal forums where they are calling this the cheapest match for years. It shows how far we have fallen behind on the football ladder.

Where these people miss the point is that it is football as a whole that is doing this & it is not just down to DC. He is trying to do what is necessary to get Wednesday into the PL.

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http://www.sheffieldtelegraph.co.uk/spor...-1-7499167?

An interesting article but there are a few points that I would take issue with.
Firstly, I would take issue with fortune favouring Wednesday. If Fulham, Brentford & Preston had been more clinical then they might have won but they weren't & they didn't. In fact against Fulham & Brentford, we wasted far more opportunities than our opponents. We have developed a way of maximising the number of points won, whether it is holding on for a victory or scoring crucial late goals. This is an important attribute for a side with promotion aspirations. Fortune is get incorrect refereeing decisions in your favour.
The switch in the system is a total red herring. I think CC went along with the 442 thing because it suited him to have the media & fans think he was playing the system they are familiar with. In truth we have never played 442 for an entire match and only played it in short spells within games.
FF rarely plays up front alongside Nuhiu. In fact he often plays deeper than players like Matias & Wallace. The truth here is that we have moved away from the rigid 442 with two wingers that SG insisted upon and several of his predecessors favoured. The beauty of the way we are playing is that it is flexible. It can be 4231. It can be 433. It can be 442. It is unrecognisable as the system we have been using for the last umpteen years.
I would say that the statement, "CC has come to the conclusion that playing with wide players, rather than relying solely on full-backs to provide the width, is the way forward" is misleading. The "solely on full backs" part might be correct but we don't have a wide player patrolling either wing. Wallace most closely resembles that role but on Saturday, he spent less time wide and moved more across the front line.
Wallace put in crosses on Saturday but so did Bannan, Hunt, Hutchinson, McGugan & Forestieri. Pudil's run down the left led to the second goal so full backs getting forward still plays a key part in our tactics.
Have to agree about Forestieri. He hasn't taken a major role yet but the quality is clear to see & soon he will be winning us points.
Agree as well about being one striker short of being a promotion chasing side. While Nuhiu is our best starting option at the moment, if we are serious about promotion then a quality striker is required. Irrespective of whether you rate or don't rate Nuhiu, no-one can deny that a player like Jordan Rhodes, Charlie Austin or Gary Hooper would lift us from possibles for promotion into probables for promotion.
I would say that there is one glaring omission from the five things we have learned.
Look at CC's first choice eleven.
Westwood
Hunt - Lees - Turner - Pudil
Hutchinson - Lee
Wallace - Forestieri - Bannan
Nuhiu
One major question pre season was would all the foreigners be able to adapt to the English game. Well guess what, there are only three foreigners in CC's first choice eleven and all three of them have over two years experience of English football. We started with five foreigners in the opening match.
So I would add that we have learned that a strong British core to the team makes us stronger.
Less so, but also important, we have learned that three players with energy in CM (Hutchinson, Lee & Bannan) give us greater control of the game & a better chance of winning.

[Statesideowl]

I can't believe why people would be so angry at 25 quid to see Arsenal. As I said earlier, I paid about that to watch Ipswich at home a couple of seasons ago. The game that ended 1-1.

I'd gladly have paid that to watch us play one of the top 5 PL teams at home. There'd be a couple of World class players on show too that your kids might be able to get an autograph from, who knows!

I completely agree that fan should still attend, of course it's a shame they may only be able to attend less. Still go though whenever the opportunity arises!

[St Charles Owl]

I, personally, am not walking away from the club or making a splash on social media.

On a monthly basis, after bills, shopping and other commitments, I have round about £600 'play' money. It's quite difficult to convince the wife that we should blow a quarter of that by going to a football match.

3 x adult = £90 (daughter is 17 now)
1 x concession = £20 ???
2 gallons of diesel = £10

+ programs, pies, drinks = at least another £30

I don't begrudge those who do have the disposable income to be able to attend on a regular basis but I do get pissed off when they can't seem to grasp that not everyone has the same income as them and start berating people without actually knowing their circumstances.

The minimum wage has just been raised to £7.20. That means that for a lot of Wednesdayites one ticket is approximately six hours work after tax.

EDIT:

Sorry, the minimum wage is £6.70   Which makes it almost a full days pay for a ticket. The £7.20 is what is a 'so called' recommended living wage 

Thing is it's not just football though is it?  All "entertainment" has dramatically gone up in price, such as a trip to the movies or a concert etc.  Unfortunately football is now a luxury that most working class families need to either budget for, or make a bigger priority, or its one they have to give up.  Doesn't mean you won't get to a game but it will just be less frequent.

When you read other forums it seems most of those who complain about the pricing don't go to games anyway.  Last season the football was dreadful admittedly but when the 10 quid offers were on it made little difference to the attendance, it simply didn't work!!  25 quid for the Arsenal game is about right for me and so far this season apart from the Brizzle game most of the games have been at prices that were only a few quid more than last season.  It also bugs me when the highest price is always the one quoted when it's a decent amount cheaper on the Kop, so why don't they sit on the Kop and get in an extra game with the money that they save??

[Maddix]

Thing is it's not just football though is it? All "entertainment" has dramatically gone up in price, such as a trip to the movies or a concert etc.

That's why it makes it difficult to convince the wife to spend such a large chunk on one activity.