[hibeejim21]

Time for Corbyn to retire to the backbenches and Labour to rebuild as an electable force. I like the guy but he's just not up to it.

EDIT: Looks like greening and grieve are set to leave the tories too.

[hibeejim21]

Come to think of it Heidi allen kind of gave the game away yesterday when she said she only wanted one or two more defections from the conservative party as any more "might cause a general election".

What an odd statement for someone from a new party with a "politics is broken" pitch to make to the public. Plus anna soubray praising the austerity that's caused misery for millions of british people.

This mob are just going to ensure we have tory governments with a big majority in the future. Shameless bastards.

[0762]

It just confirms the British political system is well n truly broken but it is not broken in Scotland! In fact, I think a decision has to eventually be made on a future direction by both unionist parties up here. Great because Scottish independence beckons and our unity on it will be endorsed even more! The shenanigans in Westminster just confirmed what lots n lots of Scots already perceived in 2014, Scot referendum year, when these shameless bastards "crawled out the cupboard" to utter their shit/deceptions - never forgotten and classified as "unfinished business" after they smugly "returned back across the border" after conning many residents to vote out Scot indy!!

[hibeejim21]

The real pressing question at the moment is why is May pushing the EU to renegotiate the backstop rather than reaching across the floor of the Commons to negotiate a softer Brexit which corbyn has offered, when the Commons arithmetic looks far easier for the latter?

[0762]

Maybe this baffling behaviour by Mrs Windrush just confirms what Anna Soubray and others have insinuated and that is how this "mystery" Tory group, the ERG, are frustratingly "pulling the strings" of the PM and that is why many other Tory "remainers" could well be "jumping ship" very soon while others will be holding back until their worst fears are confirmed!! I still think there is a possibility of a national emergency govt being formed, never mind Corbyn's wish for a general election!!

[hibeejim21]

Thing is after the crash the government should have borrowed to invest (interest rates were a record low) and gone for growth instead of cutting corporation tax or taxation for the wealthy..... the country would have balanced the books in 5 years instead of having a decade of crippling austerity which has the UK as a low wage, low production economy.

That kind of environment is manna from heaven for the likes of the ERG and their backers (many of them American thinktanks and vulture capitalists) who can make a killing from a "no deal" brexit while the car workers of Swindon and sunderland pick up universal credit.

I'm still far from convinced that may won't crash us out just to keep the tories together and in power. They really are that despicable.

[hibeejim21]

Finally it looks like labour are moving towards a new vote....it may well be too late though.

[spireitematt]

Westminister Voting Intention Poll

CON 39%
LAB 31%
TIG 11%
LDEM 5%
UKIP 4%

11% of the electorate would vote for a party that isn't a party, that has no policies or a manifesto. That is worrying. Another poll has them on 6%.

What is also surprising is 39% of the electorate would still vote Conservative after 9 years of austerity.

[ritchiebaby]

Ignore these figures completely, matt. It's an extremely limited opinion poll and probably was based on the opinions of "reality" TV stars. That, to me, would explain why they think TIG are a political party.

The Independent Group are made up of disaffected Labour and Tory MPs who have very little common ground, except perhaps their disaffection.

[spireitematt]

Ignore these figures completely, matt.  It's an extremely limited opinion poll and probably was based on the opinions of "reality" TV stars.    That, to me, would explain why they think TIG are a political party.

The Independent Group are made up of disaffected Labour and Tory MPs who have very little common ground, except perhaps their disaffection.

Maybe So Ritchie but I've been reading twitter and the #FBPE lot which are Pro EU and want to remain all seem to be behind TIG and some have even said that austerity is essential. The MPs which have left Labour and the Tories seem to have a lot in common as they come across as neoliberal Tories.