[hibeejim21]

The agreement was but the EU is playing a key role in making it work, that's why there are countless references to the EU in the actual text. So go figure.

[spireitematt]

The agreement was but the EU is playing a key role in making it work, that's why there are countless references to the EU in the actual text. So go figure.

You've just contradicted yourself you said and I quote. "The EU had a key role in the good Friday agreement . It has plenty to do with them." and you now have backtracked and said the EU is playing a key role in making it work. Again the Good Friday Agreement has nothing to do with the EU and they don't have a key role in making it work. The only people who have a key role in making it work is the British Government and the Irish Government and that's it.

[hibeejim21]

Bullshit. Just because they didn't broker the peace doesn't mean they didn't play a key role.

The EU played a key role and continue to do so, otherwise the xxxx thing wouldn't work, the republic of Ireland is a committed member of the EU, Hence why the UK cant just bin the backstop as it would dearly like.

The EU has been supporting peace initiatives in Northern Ireland ever since 1995: over the next few years, it’s committed to providing a further €229m to support ‘projects that contribute towards the promotion of greater levels of peace and reconciliation’.

Only in your mind is that not a key role.

[spireitematt]

Bullshit. Just because they didn't broker the peace doesn't mean they didn't play a key role.

The EU played a key role and continue to do so, otherwise the xxxx thing wouldn't work, the republic of Ireland is a committed member of the EU, Hence why the UK cant just bin the backstop as it would dearly like.

The EU has been supporting peace initiatives in Northern Ireland ever since 1995: over the next few years, it’s committed to providing a further €229m to support ‘projects that contribute towards the promotion of greater levels of peace and reconciliation’.

Only in your mind is that not a key role.

Again for the 3rd time and hopefully final time THE EU DID NOT AND DOES NOT PLAY A KEY ROLE IN THE GOOD FRIDAY AGREEMENT.

It works because of the agreement between the British Government and Irish Government. The EU are using Ireland as a pawn and the Pro-EU politicians can't see it. The EU didn't come to Ireland's rescue when they needed bailing out did they? Britain had to bail out Ireland when we weren't even in the eurozone.

The EU don't give a toss about any country in Europe they only care about the money they bring in from the membership contributions and then they distribute the money unevenly may I add to all the 28 countries. The whole thing is a ponzi scheme who tell elected representatives they should resign as Prime Ministers or Presidents of there countries.

They have 7 Presidents of the EU for goodness sake and who elected these people as President because I certainly didn't and I'm pretty sure you didn't either, then you've got the commissioners who are not elected by the people but appointed, who don't have to listen to the people and frankly do what they pretty much want.

[hibeejim21]

holy xxxx

[0762]

It is like "talking to a brick wall"! The man wants Brexit and will present any argument to back up his cause!! No recognition of lotsa good things relative to the EU, all conveniently "swept under the carpet" while he can list the orchestrated bad things that give him huge justification including this simplistic view of the back stop impasse where I think the strong views of the people of the Island of Ireland need to be respected and
acknowledged. All I've read from this serial offender is a theme of consistent rebuttal of certain insinuations re his inaccuracies on EU practices and with no substance to back it up other than an opposite insinuation/opinion!! To think that he professed about 10 threads back that he had "uttered his final comment" re the issue" and that was it - cannae even do that right!!. This man is "dangerous" with some of these inaccurate remarks and must be challenged vigorously as a matter of course!!

[spireitematt]

It is like "talking to a brick wall"! The man wants Brexit and will present any argument to back up his cause!! No recognition of lotsa good things relative to the EU, all conveniently "swept under the carpet" while he can list the orchestrated bad things that give him huge justification including this simplistic view of the back stop impasse where I think the strong views of the people of the Island of Ireland need to be respected and  
acknowledged. All I've read from this serial offender is a theme of consistent rebuttal of certain insinuations re   his inaccuracies on EU practices and with no substance to back it up other than an opposite insinuation/opinion!! To think that he professed about 10 threads back that he had "uttered his final comment" re the issue" and that was it - cannae even do that right!!. This man is "dangerous" with some of these inaccurate remarks and must be challenged vigorously as a matter of course!!

What about the Working Time Directive? That's a good thing the EU have done and I've actually mentioned it a long long time ago in the thread that the EU have done good things but also a lot of stupid things too.

"Simplistic view of the back stop impasse" You do realise that Theresa May included the back stop not Ireland or the EU.

"Serial Offender" WTF

"This man is dangerous" I'm dangerous because I have a different view or opinion to you? I don't like the EU or any big organisation or big Government as the people get lost among it and the people at the top serve themselves and big businesses.

"No substance to back it up other than opposite insinuation/opinion" I've read books and watched many documentaries about the EU and the topic and I came to my own conclusion.

[St Charles Owl]

It is like "talking to a brick wall"! The man wants Brexit and will present any argument to back up his cause!! No recognition of lotsa good things relative to the EU, all conveniently "swept under the carpet" while he can list the orchestrated bad things that give him huge justification including this simplistic view of the back stop impasse where I think the strong views of the people of the Island of Ireland need to be respected and  
acknowledged. All I've read from this serial offender is a theme of consistent rebuttal of certain insinuations re   his inaccuracies on EU practices and with no substance to back it up other than an opposite insinuation/opinion!! To think that he professed about 10 threads back that he had "uttered his final comment" re the issue" and that was it - cannae even do that right!!. This man is "dangerous" with some of these inaccurate remarks and must be challenged vigorously as a matter of course!!

0762, there are many different views regarding the EU, aside from the Farage's of this world I think everyone agrees that the EU does have some very good points and has done many good things. But its never a one way street with bureaucracies like the EU, just like it isn't with any political party or government, there are plenty of things that the average citizen would view as being bad for them or their country or just plain stupid. Calling Matt "dangerous" just because his view of the EU is not as rosy as yours is disingenuous and not fair to a democratic society where different opinions exist and are allowed to be expressed.

Just like you I do not want the UK to leave the EU, I think it will in the short and maybe medium term be bad for the UK but I also think the UK would recover, I just don't think we need to pull out to achieve what we want. I also though do not want a United States of Europe to be formed, I want all the countries to keep their unique identities where possible. I don't like the unelected officials that the EU seems to specialize in either, that needs to change imo. On the whole I am for remain, but I can see some why some people are for Brexit, unfortunately we do not have a crystal ball to determine what will or won't happen, we just have opinions.

[0762]

That's fine matt!! You do what you believe in but stop preaching about it eh!! There are lotsa other folk who have contrary views (millions n millions within our population incl those predominantly in parliament) also with good references to back it up as you'll have read in many threads in this "extensive" OP!
Anyway, back to "real time" and Corbyn presenting an "alternative plan" to the current one and the EU apparently "seizing on it" as an option to break the impasse. I wonder how certain members of his own Labour Party will make of it with its 5 demands! And which mainstream party will "fracture" first when they eventually find their identity as a Brexit "leaving" party or a remaining one!? Curious!

https://guce.oath.com/collectConsent?bra...line=false

[St Charles Owl]

That's fine matt!! You do what you believe in but stop preaching about it eh!! There are lotsa other folk who have contrary views (millions n millions within our population incl those predominantly in parliament) also with good references to back it up as you'll have read in many threads in this "extensive" OP!

That's a bit rich asking him to stop preaching about what he believes in!!! You "preach" all the time, and you have every right to, doesn't make either of you right but it is your respective opinions!! By all means debate someones opinion, even dismiss it if you like, but this is a forum, particularly this thread, where those differing opinions can and should be allowed!!