[hibeejim21]

They just voted down coopers amendment, which was intended to do just that!!!

[0762]

Yep! Utter incompetence and shouldn't that important detail have been added to the debate covering Cooper's amendment instead of playing "political games" all the time!?

[spireitematt]

Italy in recession, Germany on the edge too and France aren't doing too well either. The Eurozone crisis looks like its happening again. The Euro doesn't work and they should have realised that after 2008. The other big problem is all the countries have massive massive debts from the Euro.

[hibeejim21]

Are any of them stockpiling food and medicine Matt ?

I work closely with the large food retailers...they aren't joking about food supplies... I reckon a couple of weeks after no deal the UK will be in deep shit.

Keep kidding yourself on though.

[0762]

The UK still has massive debts as well!! Conveniently forgotten and those debts will rise in a post Brexit UK as previously highlighted in various fiscal studies carried out by different independent economic analysts/agencies. Anybody touting isolationism as some form of solution does not know what they are talking about and would not be able to justify it when challenged! Just an opinion without substance as usual!

[spireitematt]

Are any of them stockpiling food and medicine Matt ?

I work closely with the large food retailers...they aren't joking about food supplies... I reckon a couple of weeks after no deal the UK will be in deep shit.

Keep kidding yourself on though.

You lot are worrying over nothing. We aren't leaving, trust me it's not going to happen. Article 50 will be extended or revoked at the 11th hour and we will end up having a 2nd referendum. If we were going to leave the EU then the Leave campaign and N10 should have had plans in case Leave won and no one had a plan because deep down they thought Remain would win and it would be a foregone conclusion. The whole thing is a clusterfuck.

I don't particularly like the EU but we still need to trade with them, the only way to stop the backstop would be to have a customs union or stay in the single market. I think the if the EU reformed and rowed back on certain things then we wouldn't be leaving but they don't want to reform, they want to keep carrying on or reform to a "ever closer union" and a "United Europe".

The British people were never asked if they wanted to go into the Common Market it was Parliament and Heath who voted in 71 and in 1972 the European Community Act was drawn up and we joined in 1973 and it was 2 years later under Wilson that he offered a referendum on the subject to the British people. Then in 1992 John Major signed the Maastricht treaty without asking the British people. In 2005 in the Labour manifesto Tony Blair offered to have a referendum on Europe but he never offered it to the British people in the end and him and Brown signed the Lisbon treaty in 2007. Also isn't it funny those people who voted IN in 1975 voted Leave in 2016 because they saw what the "Common Market" had evolved into and they didn't like it.

You've got people on the Leave side who think it will be the land of milk and honey if we Leave and it won't be but you've also got people on the Remain side who think we will get unicorns and rainbows and it's going to be wonderful if we Remain. I've read a lot of people on social media say they want our Parliament abolished and that we join an EU Superstate.

What angers me is when you read books on politics and it emerges that generations were lied to on Europe and other things. We as a nation have been sold down the river by the Tories and I'm sorry to say Labour too. They lied in 1975 on the common market referendum, they lie at General Elections, MPs mislead (lie) the house and they don't have to apologise for it, both Remain and Leave lied in 2016 on the referendum.

[0762]

The people in this country have been consistently betrayed by an elite group of people and "hangers on" whose arrogance supersedes any competence they ever had. That criticism is particularly directed at many people currently in Westminster who behave exactly in this way and they continue to arrogantly ignore the true interests and needs of the nation to suit their own selfish agenda!!

[hibeejim21]

"You lot are worrying over nothing. We aren't leaving, trust me it's not going to happen."


I hope you are right matt, but with the power at all costs idiots in Westminster I'm not feeling confident. My job is very much at risk with all this pish.

[0762]

IMO this sinister ERG group of Tories are effectively "holding the country to ransom" and that is the most worrying aspect of the current situation. These cretons want a "no deal" and I think if they get their way it will definitely fracture the Conservative and Unionist Party as they have lots n lots of opposing Tories who do not share that extreme sentiment. But it will be too late by then if they "get away with it" and it will consequently "fracture" the country with a populace that is already polarised and has been for a long time re this issue. The "language" coming from May and others re this resolve to satisfy the "will of the people" (on a 52% f### off vote!!) and push on to Brexit is astounding but very worrying! I'm still wondering if our population is just gonna meekly "sleepwalk" over the "Brexit cliff" or are many people gonna finally "hit the streets" of London and turn it into a "dirty war" because it is clear that they are not listening to the "silent majority" in the country!!

[hibeejim21]

Our once united country could be on the verge of spiralling out of control. The seeds of division have been well and truly sown, and for what ? To make the likes of banks,rees mogg,farage and dacre even richer than they are already.

If labour ever win again they need to do something about the press in this country.