[0762]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/...e-no-deal/

This latest verbal salvo by Michel Barnier just confirms there are a lotta people on this side of the English Channel who have their own optimistic interpretation of 'brexit' and what the final negotiations will offer. I think Barnier is rightly cautioning this group of people including many UK politicians who are 'kidding themselves' and certain members of the public re the real implications of brexit and it's true effect on the country..

[hibeejim21]

By going for austerity instead of growth in 2010, the Tories have dug the country into a hole it cannot now escape from. Instead of pushing us over a cliff, Brexit will simply take the short cut. Straight down the plug hole.

Anyone who thought the EU would give the UK a good deal outside the EU must be more than a little soft in the head. It's not in their interests to do so. They don't owe the UK any favours, quite the opposite, and they are certainly not going to help a competitor stand on their own two feet right on their own doorstep

I notice today business leaders are starting to wake up to this and are calling for an indefinite delay on leaving the single market. Too late now.

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Aye Jim! Too late despite the assurances from various pro brexit people that all will be well and we 'can go it alone'. I listened to the latest assurance from that tory 'decepton', Rees Mogg, who really is 'taking the piss' - a little rich boy with a big family who will not be as badly affected as other less privileged people in similar circumstances and vehemently opposed to a Green Party suggestion that the final say re the brexit conclusion should be given to the people once it becomes clear what the deal entails - the prick citing 'democracy' and the usual 'will of the people' shit and lets ignore the lies and deceptions and the fact that a larger proportion of our populace is now opposed to brexit being activated after observing the fiasco gradually unfolding by people who were not prepared, didn't know what they were doing and are not the people who should only be representing the country in this crisis.

[hibeejim21]

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15403.../?ref=ebln


There are not enough Out there to do this justice. We were talking about the dangers of this kind of deal on here before the vote! But no instead it was 350 million extra for the NHS that got the headlines.

These idiots actually think the tories give a xxxx about them. God help us all.

[0762]

Looking logically at farmers and the receipt of those millions n millions of quid in EU subsidies, one can ask the simple question, 'Why are all these farmers receiving these welcome payments anyway'? Is it because their food production/business is not efficient enough and they require that support? Consequently if the subsidies are removed, will these businesses naturally 'go to the wall', how will it affect the UK food market and how many of them will end up that way as I'm assuming the bigger farming conglomerates, more than likely major backers of the conservative party, are less affected than the rest and will survive through this crisis?

[hibeejim21]

Just wait til the fisheries realise they can't operate without the a) eastern european crews and b) the EU operated markets

Boris will sort it i'm sure.

The brexiters on here are very,very quiet.

[St Charles Owl]

Looking logically at farmers and the receipt of those millions n millions of quid in EU subsidies, one can ask the simple question, 'Why are all these farmers receiving these welcome payments anyway'?  Is it because their food production/business is not efficient enough and they require that support? Consequently if the subsidies are removed,  will these businesses naturally 'go to the wall', how will it affect the UK food market and how many of them will end up that way as I'm assuming the bigger farming conglomerates, more than likely major backers of the conservative party, are less affected than the rest and will survive through this crisis?

Removing the subsides and, probably more importantly, removing the tariffs placed on imports will likely see a substantial increase in foreign food entering the UK from countries outside the EU. It will also likely see prices in the stores drop with regards to some food items, so the average punter may see a saving here. But after that the benefits will stop, farmers will not grow products that are needed but not easy to produce or that profitable without the subsides, which in turn will either mean shortages or higher prices on some items. I understand a bit about what the subsides are designed to achieve, but they have always seemed a bit unfair as well, maybe seeing market forces decide will bring benefits, but I wouldn't put too much faith in that.

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Just wait til the fisheries realise they can't operate without the a) eastern european crews and b) the EU operated markets

Boris will sort it i'm sure.

The brexiters on here are very,very quiet.

Fisheries is another area within the EU that always seems to have courted controversy and unfairness to many in the UK. Maybe they will have to operate with UK labour instead, that would be a novel idea!! And maybe we will have to pay more for our fish and chips!!

Ultimately with both of these areas, if Brexit happens then there is nothing to stop the UK government from sticking with the subsides that the EU currently provides and continuing to prop up these industries like they are now. Not sure they will do that though but it would be possible.

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Lotsa consumer prices have already increased and probably the main factor for this past and current increase is the decreasing value of the pound after the June referendum in 2016. I don't believe this will change and the biggest casualty in this whole brexit fiasco is gonna be the general public. I think any decent economist will easily work out the 'financial hit' per capita and per family esp when one also observes that wage losses have spiralled for years and wages have been stagnated by govt under an austerity banner and it continues 'in this vein'.

[hibeejim21]

This farce rolls on.

I suspect either a) the tories will bail on this and call an election.

Or

. b) the EU will define a deal that spares us a major recession.

[St Charles Owl]

I'm not sure the EU will spare us at all. There are many reasons why its in both sides interest to make sure a fair deal is reached, especially on trade and ex-pats, but I cannot help but think the EU will also want to make an example of the UK to deter other countries from thinking of going down this path.