[spireitematt]

Debt under Labour startedat 300,000 million as you say ended up at 978.9 million so technically trebled under Labour. Remember no more boom or bust, Labour blamed the banks, however Labour should have kept their eye in the ball but didn't.
So your quite happy to have a Prime Minister who shared a platform with the IRA during the troubles. Going back to the debt how much interest do you think we have to pay each month we are still borrowing to pay it off.
For all his promises no one knows where all the money to pay for them is going to come from.

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You only have to look at France under Hollande 70% highest rate of tax what did many businesses down relocated to Britain.
Corbyn and McDonnell wrote Michael Foot's manifesto and the Tory majority was 144.

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The money should come from a massively serious policy to tackle the tax fraud/avoidance in this country for starters!!!!  It's reckoned such fraud costs the UK about £20B-£30B pa and a fraction of that money could cover such decent policies! Why is it that the Tories have not even 'scratched the surface' on corporate tax fraud alone in all these years of govt? You know exactly why that is and I call it 'guilt by association'!!! Lastly, the NLP will shortly publish their back up financial figures to counter the expected criticisms no matter what policies they introduced anyway!! As though the Tories are actually doing a spiffingly good  job btw!!! Are they f### and I hope the opposition parties start hitting them with the criticisms that are deserving of said condemnation - there's a lotta 'ammunition' to fire at the Toerags!!

Yes Labour have said they want to get after the likes of Philip Green who incidentally was knighted by er Labour.
As for the opposition the SNP have only one plolicy independence nothing else, the left thinks money grows on trees, soak the rich they'll pay for it. Ever time Labour leave Government unemployment is over 3/4 million.
Excuse my ignorance NLP what's that?

Corbyn and McDonnell did not write Michael Foot's manifesto it was the late Gerald Kaufman.

Thatcher negotiated with the IRA back in 1981.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-16366413

[themaclad]

Apologies if I'm wrong but didn't Kaufman say it was the longest suicide note in history? Have to research that.

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True but didn't sit on platforms at meetings

[0762]

I don't see what the IRA have to do with this current general election anyway!!! I call it cheap mud-slinging akin to the shit that the likes of Tory media mud slingers like the Daily Mail and other shameless c#### dream up and wanna divert away from the real issues like the Tories screwing up our economy with an economic plan/policies that are totally shit and ineffective - focus on the awful record of this Tory govt! As for strong leadership, that won't suddenly change our economic fortunes and it's just another Tory sound bite to somehow draw in that naive 'Little England vote' from a huge number of very stupid people who are easily duped eg Brexit erseholes! And lastly the SNP's quest for independence is not a policy anyway - it's a political mandate and it has been 'rubber stamped' by the Scottish Parliament. As said in previous threads, the SNP govt have lotsa policies in order to run my country as effectively as possible  - not singular as you keep 'banging on about' - as unqualified as it gets!!
Btw pardon my sarcasm re the use of the previous NLP acronym (New Labour Party) as, post 2010 when it ended, the party is still riddled with people who hold the same political values!! IMO Corbyn should've ditched these infltrators a long time ago incl the shit heid who leaked his draft manifesto!!

[themaclad]

Like the SNP have not screwed up the Scottish economy highest percentage debt % of GDP in Western Europe and that includes Greece. Growth in U.K. Last year 1.8 growth in Scotland.4% without 9 billion free money from the U.K. Government you would be in deep do do. An guess what the Scots Government have the highest taxes in the U.K. Coincidence.

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And if they have some good policies as you say why have the Scottish parliament passed one single act in this Parliamentary year.

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As you say the Tories have wrecked the economy can you explain why we knowchave record numbers in employment

[hibeejim21]

Great policies funded by what? The rich will leave these shores faster than you can say Corbyn wins, business will lay off workers by the score. He has been endorsed by the Communist party and the vast amount of his own MP's don't support him, not even mentioned him in their campaign literature. If that is what you want vote for it. By the way Corbyn visited a country which he considered to be an economic success story, that country was Venezuela where inflation is now between 700% to 2000%.
Vote Labour get free money until it runs out, it's a manifesto which would absolutely wreck this country. As former Tories being con merchants which party lied about weapons of mass destruction.
More chance of me being PM

[0762]

Like the SNP have not screwed up the Scottish economy highest percentage debt % of GDP in Western Europe and that includes Greece. Growth in U.K. Last year 1.8 growth in Scotland.4% without 9 billion free money from the U.K. Government you would be in deep do do. An guess what the Scots Government have the highest taxes in the U.K. Coincidence.

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And if they have some good policies as you say why have the Scottish parliament passed one single act in this Parliamentary year.

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As you say the Tories have wrecked the economy can you explain why we knowchave record numbers in employment

The UK govt still 'play a big hand' in influencing the Scottish economy - fact and bring on Scottish independence asap and we'll see how well we can fully manage our economy!!!!! And what is so wrong in upping taxes to benefit areas of our macro economy and society, environment etc that could indeed improve them greatly!!??? The Scottish govt is still fairly new to passing acts under statute anyway - stop politicising the issue FFS - a bit like the previous IRA shit that I notice you've finally shut up about!! Lastly how does a paradox of a wrecked UK economy (good to see you actually admit to that fact!!!) match up to record numbers of employment???? The 'devil is in the detail' and a closer scrutiny of the details reveals a less impressive picture of that deceptive positive insinuation - zero hours contracts, workers who want to work but use food banks to 'make ends meet' - it's a false picture/argument full of shit and the Tories are full of that as we all know only too well!!!
Btw re your WMD remark, was it not the UK security servs who lied about the Iraq WMD issue and was it not the 'red tories' incl the biggest one, the colluding Tony Bliar, who were quite happy to be duped and given that false reason to go to war with their unionist pals, the blue Toerags, who were quick to jump on the bandwagon eh!!!!!???? A bunch of shameless lying b######s who indirectly played a big part in the killing of hundreds of thousands of innocent people incl a smaller number of our military servs personnel and families who were tragically dragged into this unjustified shit as well!! And we wonder why England particularly is a terrorist target - the UK govt(s) played a big part in making it that way huhhhhh!!

[themaclad]

Yep have independence within the EU cannot quite square that one, but if that is what you want then fair enough, but if you have another vote what will you do if you lose, will it another once in a generation vote in two years.
As for zero hours contracts it's amazing the amount of Labour MP's who actually employ people on zero hours contract.

Anyway here's some left wing commentary on Corbyn and economics.

http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2016/05/25/the...s-judgemen

[St Charles Owl]

Corbyn is a disaster for Labour, he is unelectable!! May knows this and she also knows this might be the one and only chance she has to actually win an election!! Assuming that leaked manifesto is real then for me that would be the final nail in the Labour coffin as regards my vote, if I was able to vote!! In the past I have mainly voted Labour but have also voted Tory and Lib Dem depending on the situation but Corbyn and that manifesto looks to me like something to take Britain back to the Winter of Discontent in the late 70s, and that is essentially what led to Thatcher gaining power!! Of course we will have to wait to see how Labour intend to fund all these initiatives, as well as tackling the budget deficit in 5 years without there being a major impact on the economy. Its very noble to make the highest earners pay more tax and to make companies that are successful pay more tax, but post Brexit I would think the last thing we want to do is add to the business tax companies have to pay!!

[themaclad]

Thank you SCO, I've absolutely no problem with how people vote, but I still amazed at the cult of Corbynism, rational people seem to think he's the Messiah. The Manifesto is a wish list of what would make a perfect world if there was a bottomless pit of money which there isn't. It's just amazing that in 2017 that nobody has ever thought of it before. The disaster for Labour would be if it was a close election, he would remain as leader.
Only 27 more days to go and hopefully we can go back to football chat.

[spireitematt]

Corbyn is a disaster for Labour, he is unelectable!!  May knows this and she also knows this might be the one and only chance she has to actually win an election!!  Assuming that leaked manifesto is real then for me that would be the final nail in the Labour coffin as regards my vote, if I was able to vote!!  In the past I have mainly voted Labour but have also voted Tory and Lib Dem depending on the situation but Corbyn and that manifesto looks to me like something to take Britain back to the Winter of Discontent in the late 70s, and that is essentially what led to Thatcher gaining power!!  Of course we will have to wait to see how Labour intend to fund all these initiatives, as well as tackling the budget deficit in 5 years without there being a major impact on the economy.  Its very noble to make the highest earners pay more tax and to make companies that are successful pay more tax, but post Brexit I would think the last thing we want to do is add to the business tax companies have to pay!!

What's wrong with renationalising the railways again? Ticket prices on railways are too expensive, the trains are dirty and not kept clean and they are owned by German and French companies and those same companies put our ticket prices up to subsidise there own NATIONALISED railways to keep them going is that fair?

Our Energy companies are owned again by French and German companies and they put the prices sky high and people don't bother changing suppliers because there is no point as it would cost more money in the long run.

We have no industry anymore in Britain. Jobs are few and far between, there's far too many temporary jobs and zero hour contracts where the employee has no rights. How people meant to live off zero hour contracts? Yes there alright for Students or if someone wants a bit of extra cash but they don't work for people who have a mortgage and bills to play.

We've have foodbanks in Britain and they are on the rise.

Everyone is saying its going back to the 1970s but you do realise this will be done on a modern economy not the economy of 40 years ago. Look at the Scandinavian model they have a lot of what Labour is suggesting and they are light years ahead.

We can't keep going with austerity and Dickensian economics and keep making cuts to public infrastructure. Austerity is not working.

We live in a selfish society where everyone is thinking what they can get out of it, not what is best for everyone but themselves its the i'm alright Jack, sod you mentality. Where if its not affecting them then its not true and its not happening but when it finally does affect them they are outraged and it will affect them sooner or later.