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RE: Nicola Sturgeon finally begins the process of separation! - 0762 - 24-12-2019
There was a recent Daily Express front page headline published right after the "landslide" GE result for the SNP and it read "Bitterness and Division in Scotland" - totally "out of touch" with reality on the ground but still trying to get to "pockets" of the Scottish population who will be "taken in" by this bullshit. What happened in Ireland is no different to what is continually being "peppered" at the Scottish people by the usual RW media/press suspects up here and has been going on for years. It is a massive conspiracy that is driven by unionists and British state conspirators to force a political ideology on a population that doesn't recognise that ideology and still favour governance by a political party that has no great affiliation to any Westminster party or unionism itself. It is absolutely undemocratic and a disgrace and yet allowed to happen under a "freedom of speech" label much like populism and the spreading of populist "poison"!!
RE: Nicola Sturgeon finally begins the process of separation! - 0762 - 07-01-2020
A recent SNP research study of the House of Lords revealed some startling facts re the number of Scottish peers who were paid just under £3M (2017-18) from the Scot Exchequer - A SHOCKING DISCONNECT BETWEEN THE HOUSE OF LORDS AND SCOTLAND!!
It transpires that Scotland has 87 peers and ALL OF THEM ARE UNIONISTS, not one of them is an SNP peer but note I'm glad to say the SNP want no royal recognition by choice!! So none of these peers support Scotindy - how unrepresentative of the Scot population, disgraceful!!! The percentage of Scotland's peers who were privately educated = 60% while the percentage of Scotland's population who were privately educated = 0.054% - WHAT A FARCE AND AGAIN UNREPRESENTATIVE OF THE PEOPLE WHO RESIDE IN SCOTLAND!!!
Also the percentage of female peers = 14% while 51% of the Scot population is female - again so f###### unrepresentative of the real core of people who live in Scotland!! Delighted to scrap it altogether as part of an eventual Scotindy plan - what a waste of money with lotsa "noses in the trough"!!
RE: Nicola Sturgeon finally begins the process of separation! - hibeejim21 - 07-01-2020
Scotland (and presumably Wales too) won't be able to set their budgets for the coming year because the UK Govt cancelled it's Budget and has decided to have one on March 11th...the day budgets have to be set by law.
total spite. mark my words boris is going to dilute the few powers that holyrood has.
RE: Nicola Sturgeon finally begins the process of separation! - 0762 - 08-01-2020
You are absolutely right, it is total spite v a devolved govt that has no association to the Tories own poisonous political ideology. Is it a breach of the Treaty of Union 1707???? I wish it was but in such a scenario we must have the majority of the Scottish people "on board" and backing a formal forced separation, something that sadly I can't see happening yet!! Farther to that, is the lawful signing off of the EU Withdrawal Bill a gross violation of the Treaty of Union 1707??? I think that is more of a distinct possibility if tested in a law court but again we must have a solid Scottish population behind a Scot govt that we have consistently backed in the past decade in the clear knowledge that the SNP has a mandate to acquire Scottish Independence preferably in a systematic civil process of separation!!
RE: Nicola Sturgeon finally begins the process of separation! - 0762 - 09-01-2020
Looking back in time to the early 1990s, John Major made it clear that a majority of SNP MPs after a general election would serve as a mandate to begin negotiations for separation. "There are no plans to hold a referendum”, said former Thatcher minister and party chairman Norman Tebbit a few months before the 1997 election.
It was a position the Tories held right up to 2010 – the last election year in which the SNP didn’t win a majority of Scottish seats, at which point the goalposts magically shifted. Now, of course, the rule is that a majority of MPs doesn’t count, but you also can’t have a referendum. Looking even farther back to the 1980s, the view of Tory backbenchers was that a majority of SNP MPs in two general elections constituted a right to demand separation - IT HAS NOW HAPPENED ON THREE OCCASIONS!!!
Scotland looks like a prisoner without hope of parole. Time for a breakout methinks!!!
RE: Nicola Sturgeon finally begins the process of separation! - hibeejim21 - 09-01-2020
Scottish Nationalism is inclusive and about doing the best possible for all the people of Scotland, irrespective of the place of their birth, and for Scotland taking its place amongst the nations of Europe. English Nationalism is overtly xenophobic, exceptionalist and about doing what's best for the Tory Party and their fellow travellers.
I know what I prefer.
RE: Nicola Sturgeon finally begins the process of separation! - 0762 - 13-01-2020
(07-01-2020, 16:07)hibeejim21 Wrote: Scotland (and presumably Wales too) won't be able to set their budgets for the coming year because the UK Govt cancelled it's Budget and has decided to have one on March 11th...the day budgets have to be set by law.
total spite. mark my words boris is going to dilute the few powers that holyrood has.
Lets have a big massive fight about the budget, seeing as they are f###### us about down in Westminster/Whitehall!!!
The Scottish government could create a budget for Scotland based on the monies accrued by Westminster from Scotland over the past twelve months and send it in to them down south to cough up and pay for it or they can go and piss off.
That ought to create a stir and doubtlessly some very alarming reactions across the board eh!! I think the time has come "to take the gloves off" although I'm sure the SNP and Nicola would utter caution and patience. Just under 90k heroes/heroines marching for Scotindy in a Glesca rainstorm yesterday - stunning and the news of it suppressed as usual by the English RW media plus poor coverage AGAIN by the English Broadcasting Corporation!!!!
There was better press coverage of the event in the likes of The Netherlands and Belgium!!! We can't put up with this English colonialist shit for much longer TBF!!! F### them and f### the toff/bully boy private school British Establishment conspiracy to block us with any bullish excuse that the bastards can dream up!!
RE: Nicola Sturgeon finally begins the process of separation! - hibeejim21 - 13-01-2020
The Scottish secretary basically said earlier today that democracy is over in Scotland and we are 2nd class citizens who's votes are meaningless.
There you have it - there won't be another referendum in sturgeons lifetime regardless of the Holyrood elections. A verdict delivered by the leader of a party that lost half their seats in Scotland at the GE. Mind-blowing stuff.
RE: Nicola Sturgeon finally begins the process of separation! - 0762 - 13-01-2020
I'll just add more to the point, it demonstrates how independence will never be won by playing “fair and square” with the British/English establishment, with its endless history of "moving the goalposts" to ensure it can never lose. It really is time we got in a fight but we need our population behind us!!! I am getting angry and impatient and I'm betting there are swathes of fellow Scots who are "in the same boat". I'd even go to an International Law Court if I knew that we could force "movement" on the sovereign right of our people to acquire self-determination!! DEMOCRACY IS DEAD IN A FASCIST BRITISH STATE - FAREWELL TRUE DEMOCRATIC VALUES AND PRINCIPLES BECAUSE THE WESTMINSTER PARLIAMENT, THE "MOTHER" OF ALL PARLIAMENTS, IS BEING TOUTED BY A BUNCH OF FASCISTS/UNIONISTS AS THE OVERLORD AGAINST THE DEMOCRATIC RIGHT OF OUR DEVOLVED SCOTTISH GOVT AND THE SCOTTISH PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT IT!! I HOPE AND PRAY THE SNP AND NICOLA STURGEON HAVE PREPARED FOR THIS MOMENT AND DO HAVE A STRATEGY TO CHART THE "WAY FORWARD" FOR THE GOOD OF OUR COUNTRY!!!!! To be deployed after 31 Jan, Brexit Day, and fascist Farage's Brexit celebration in Parliament Square, London; maybe we should send lots n lots of "party poopers" to wreck that party eh and send out a clear message of intent!!!!!!!
Lastly, a recent Royal story/revelation gives us something to ponder - Harry and Meghan wanna become autonomous from the Royal household/union but it seems to be more difficult than one would naturally assume it to be!!!??? Does that scenario not remind you of a similar political situation closer to home???? YEP, YOU'VE GOT IT!!!
RE: Nicola Sturgeon finally begins the process of separation! - Amelia Chaffinch - 13-01-2020
(13-01-2020, 01:01)0762 Wrote: I'll just add more to the point, it demonstrates how independence will never be won by playing “fair and square” with the British/English establishment, with its endless history of "moving the goalposts" to ensure it can never lose. It really is time we got in a fight but we need our population behind us!!! I am getting angry and impatient and I'm betting there are swathes of fellow Scots who are "in the same boat". I'd even go to an International Law Court if I knew that we could force "movement" on the sovereign right of our people to acquire self-determination!! DEMOCRACY IS DEAD IN A FASCIST BRITISH STATE - FAREWELL TRUE DEMOCRATIC VALUES AND PRINCIPLES BECAUSE THE WESTMINSTER PARLIAMENT, THE "MOTHER" OF ALL PARLIAMENTS, IS BEING TOUTED BY A BUNCH OF FASCISTS/UNIONISTS AS THE OVERLORD AGAINST THE DEMOCRATIC RIGHT OF OUR DEVOLVED SCOTTISH GOVT AND THE SCOTTISH PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT IT!! I HOPE AND PRAY THE SNP AND NICOLA STURGEON HAVE PREPARED FOR THIS MOMENT AND DO HAVE A STRATEGY TO CHART THE "WAY FORWARD" FOR THE GOOD OF OUR COUNTRY!!!!! To be deployed after 31 Jan, Brexit Day, and fascist Farage's Brexit celebration in Parliament Square, London; maybe we should send lots n lots of "party poopers" to wreck that party eh and send out a clear message of intent!!!!!!!
Lastly, a recent Royal story/revelation gives us something to ponder - Harry and Meghan wanna become autonomous from the Royal household/union but it seems to be more difficult than one would naturally assume it to be!!!??? Does that scenario not remind you of a similar political situation closer to home???? YEP, YOU'VE GOT IT!!!
Is that incitement to violence against us, 0762?
