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RE: European Union Referendum - In or Out?? - spireitematt - 25-02-2019

Brexit could be postponed till 2021. If that is the case then its time for a General Election or another vote. It's time to stop xxxx about because as it's being debated and talked about other issues are getting forgotten about.


RE: European Union Referendum - In or Out?? - hibeejim21 - 25-02-2019

We won't be finding out about their appeal to voters matt, they've stolen the seats effectively.

All we know is that they oppose Brexit, but won't give any details on how they're going to oppose it.
And that they are anti-racist on the whole, apart from the excruciating 'funny tinge' comment.

Secret funding. Mass media support. A refusal to stand for election. Their 'principles' seem a little threadbare at the moment.


RE: European Union Referendum - In or Out?? - St Charles Owl - 25-02-2019

(25-02-2019, 00:55)spireitematt Wrote: Brexit could be postponed till 2021. If that is the case then its time for a General Election or another vote. It's time to stop xxxx about because as it's being debated and talked about other issues are getting forgotten about.

Delaying any decision to 2021 might even be worse on the economy than crashing out with a no deal!!! The uncertainty that would cause within the financial and commercial market would be dreadful, this needs sorting one way or the other.

(25-02-2019, 01:01)hibeejim21 Wrote: We won't be finding out about their appeal to voters matt, they've stolen the seats effectively.

All we know is that they oppose Brexit, but won't give any details on how they're going to oppose it.
And that they are anti-racist on the whole, apart from the excruciating 'funny tinge' comment.

Secret funding. Mass media support. A refusal to stand for election. Their 'principles' seem a little threadbare at the moment.

What are the rules if an MP changes party mid-term? I always thought it was technically the individual who held the seat, not the party??


RE: European Union Referendum - In or Out?? - spireitematt - 25-02-2019

Jeremy Corbyn and Labour are now backing a 2nd referendum.

(25-02-2019, 02:31)St Charles Owl Wrote:
(25-02-2019, 00:55)spireitematt Wrote: Brexit could be postponed till 2021. If that is the case then its time for a General Election or another vote. It's time to stop xxxx about because as it's being debated and talked about other issues are getting forgotten about.

Delaying any decision to 2021 might even be worse on the economy than crashing out with a no deal!!!  The uncertainty that would cause within the financial and commercial market would be dreadful, this needs sorting one way or the other.

(25-02-2019, 01:01)hibeejim21 Wrote: We won't be finding out about their appeal to voters matt, they've stolen the seats effectively.

All we know is that they oppose Brexit, but won't give any details on how they're going to oppose it.
And that they are anti-racist on the whole, apart from the excruciating 'funny tinge' comment.

Secret funding. Mass media support. A refusal to stand for election. Their 'principles' seem a little threadbare at the moment.

What are the rules if an MP changes party mid-term?  I always thought it was technically the individual who held the seat, not the party??

Yeah the individual holds the seat not the party, but they should hold a by-election and see if they get re-elected again on a different ticket.


RE: European Union Referendum - In or Out?? - hibeejim21 - 26-02-2019

So Corbyn meets with barnier and co - then comes back with a 2 pronged attack on may this week. It's a sensible decision for the country and a sensible decision for Labour as the party was starting to take a doing at the polls. There is nothing for labour to gain in facilitating a hard Brexit.

Interesting move.


RE: European Union Referendum - In or Out?? - spireitematt - 26-02-2019

(26-02-2019, 02:23)hibeejim21 Wrote: So Corbyn meets with barnier and co - then comes back with a 2 pronged attack on may this week. It's a sensible decision for the country and a sensible decision for Labour as the party was starting to take a doing at the polls. There is nothing for labour to gain in facilitating a hard Brexit.

Interesting move.

The problem is Labour will still take a doing at the polls, the party is finished, it's become a party for metropolitan London, it's too London centric. For far too long they've took the North and safe Labour seats for granted, the party has been taken over by the far left which is unelectable.


RE: European Union Referendum - In or Out?? - 0762 - 26-02-2019

Ian Blackford's response today "classic" re May's proposed procrastinating votes re "no deal" etc in March! "Do it now Prime Minister, never mind delaying such important votes in March"!!! Touche!!


RE: European Union Referendum - In or Out?? - hibeejim21 - 26-02-2019

Just a few pointers from the governments released brexit info that soubry pushed for.

"HMRC has estimated that the administrative burden on businesses from customs declarations alone, on current (2016) UK-EU trade in goods could be around £13bn pa"

"For example, the EU would introduce tariffs of around 70% on beef and 45% on lamb exports, and 10% on finished automotive vehicles."

"Northern Ireland is particularly vulnerable given its high proportion of, and reliance upon SMEs (75% of all private sector employment) and the number of businesses who trade directly with Ireland (Northern Ireland’s largest international export market)."

"If the UK leaves the EU without a deal, some agreements will not be concluded in time... Including japan"

" UK citizens would be treated as third country nationals by member states, and potentially be subject to full Schengen checks. This would mean they would no longer be able to use e passport-gates"


RE: European Union Referendum - In or Out?? - Devongone - 27-02-2019

(26-02-2019, 20:48)hibeejim21 Wrote: Just a few pointers from the governments released brexit info that soubry pushed for.

"HMRC has estimated that the administrative burden on businesses from customs declarations alone, on current (2016) UK-EU trade in goods could be around £13bn pa"

"For example, the EU would introduce tariffs of around 70% on beef and 45% on lamb exports, and 10% on finished automotive vehicles."

"Northern Ireland is particularly vulnerable given its high proportion of, and reliance upon SMEs (75% of all private sector employment) and the number of businesses who trade directly with Ireland (Northern Ireland’s largest international export market)."

"If the UK leaves the EU without a deal, some agreements will not be concluded in time... Including japan"

" UK citizens would be treated as third country nationals by member states, and potentially be subject to full Schengen checks. This would mean they would no longer be able to use e passport-gates"

Surely you don't believe all this Jim .......... ?

By the way is soubry an adjective or a noun? I looked it up. The definition was "wild-eyed, as in an unfortunate beast afflicted with mad-cow disease".

Personally I'm not so sure about kicking the can down the road when environmentally we ought to be re-cycling it.


RE: European Union Referendum - In or Out?? - hibeejim21 - 28-02-2019

It's from the governments own advice, so the question really is why don't YOU believe it ?