(27-04-2016, 14:33)peiowl Wrote:

(26-04-2016, 21:42)St Charles Owl Wrote:

(26-04-2016, 17:10)madsteve Wrote: The primary cause for the loss of lives was the culture in football at the time.

I attended over 70 different grounds in the 70s & 80s and was regularly placed in similar situations at the majority of grounds where a poor policing decision, lots of fans arriving at once or a few drunken idiots could have caused a crush situation. It was just a question of when & where it happened because it was inevitable. Sadly, it happened on our patch.

Hopefully, this gives solace to everyone & they move on rather than pursuing financial gain from the various parties. I know from personal experience that little is gained from these actions.

I think any fan who regularly went to football games in those times, who stood on the vast terraces or were herded like cattle as away supporters would have found themselves in similar, albeit thankfully less fatal situations.  Unfortunately due to the cover up by the Government, Police and media and the stories of drunkeness and ticketless fans being the  sole cause in their spin from the beginning meant that the fans and culture in football at the time were never going to be apportioned any blame.  

The design of that terrace with the fences and the pens was totally as a result of fan behavior and the police desire to put segregation and containment of fans above their safety, and marauding fans running across terraces like was seen at Heysel was a major factor in the pens being erected to control fans.  

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(26-04-2016, 20:50)peiowl Wrote: does/did the club carry insurance to protect itself from liability? In the case of negligence though, any such policy may be invalidated.

Have the club beeen found criminally negligent or has that indictment just been placed at the feet of SYP??  I am sure the club has liability insurance but would it be the insurance from 1989 that would be used as we are now a wholly different company to what we were then.  I am sure that MM and DC both looked into the likely fallout from a verdict like this when they bought the club, you would be a very poor businessman if you didn't and neither of those guys strike me as being bad at their jobs!!

SCO: see Owlskev's post Q8-11. It sounds to me that the jury does place part of the blame on SWFC, its physical plant and conduct. Would that hold up i  a court of law? I don't know but the burden of proof in civil cases is not as high as in crown prosecutions. A class action suit by the parents and/or family members of the deceased seems more than likely to me.

(27-04-2016, 16:08)Statesideowl Wrote: I don't see how the clubs current regime can be made to pay anything for the actions of previous owners. I can believe that back then it was exceptionally easy to get your dodgy mate down at the council to whip up some certificates.
Any safety measures found wanting or responsible for injury are on the heads of those whom didn't implement such policies. Same applies to those at the City Council & SYP.

Just like any other corrupt large or small government you can imagine, they played pass the buck, letting shit roll downhill all the way to the fans themselves and even Paramedics??
I was still only young at the time but this is how I remember it being prioritised. My friend at the time's dad was a Constable, he was there that day, knocked from his horse. He was fine but 'Traumatized' he was retired off at 35, full pension. Paid by the taxpayer of course. And no, he had no redeeming qualities either, an out and out Pig. I don't doubt he instigated what ever caused him to be removed from his horse.
The real victims that day either died or were told it's their own fault.

There's justice for them and then there's justice for the rest of us.  I can only hope those left hurting for so long can close the wounds and find some solace. Frivolous law suits are not the way forward for anyone.

(05-05-2016, 19:53)St Charles Owl Wrote: Pei, I have to question what websites or searches you are doing to even come up with a picture of Colin's family!!!!  Are you stalking him as part of your love affair with him??