Thread #333 - Then you have Sturgeon who wants Scotland to leave the UK without a deal while campaigning against Britain leaving the EU without a deal. The 2016 referendum was counted on the most votes not on what area voted what way, so those people who voted Leave in Scotland there voted counted to the final total. SNP and Sturgeon doesn't speak for the whole of Scotland like Boris Johnson doesn't speak for the whole of the UK.
I must comment on some of these remarks - 1. The Scottish FM has never professed to split from the UK without a deal. That is untrue and I'd challenge anyone to show proof otherwise. Nicola Sturgeon has previously professed that an independent Scotland still becomes a good neighbour and trading partner with other UK nations and that includes England. Also in a practical sense a trade partnership/deal of some sort was always in order because cross-border trade could never realistically be blocked anyway. 2. Nicola Sturgeon represents a sovereign country called Scotland and the interests of the Scottish people - stop resurrecting that old "wind up" regional chestnut as previously done in another OP's threads - that debate has been exhausted a long time ago!!
On the subject of Brexit, it has been debated to exhaustion again on another thread but I'll briefly add my "tuppence worth" to Jim's vg comments re the Brexit "lie":- What characterises Brexiteers and Scottish Unionists is their willingness to embrace and applaud what they know are blatant lies from those they know are blatant liars. They are knowingly and actively engaged in a collective enterprise in self-deception as the biggest lie that this COVID-19 virus has exposed - the lie that we are a United Kingdom and Brexit, Johnson and the Tory govt exposed for the lie and fraud that they represent and the danger that they pose to all of us. Brexit has been an exercise in irrationality bordering on a form of national madness; lets not forget the highly questionable role and behaviour of that English fascist/racist, Farage, either. There maybe a rational argument for exiting the European Union but it descends into irrationality and madness when its supporters rely on, and embrace, a campaign of lies, disinformation, and the demonization of foreigners to justify it. On that note, the virus has exposed the contempt, bordering on hatred, Westminster and the Tories in particular, harbour for Scotland, a contempt that also embraces the Welsh and Northern Irish, but whose deepest animus is for the Scots. Btw Johnson and his cohorts were able to achieve Brexit because, starting with Thatcher, the Westminster elite, led by the Tories and their propagandists (serial critics of the EU for the past 4 decades!) in the media, led a relentless drive to eliminate the human characteristics of sympathy and empathy from the British system of political economy. For their free market experiment to succeed, these attributes had to be purged from the public sphere and unashamed selfishness and crass politics prevailed as witnessed up to now.
I must comment on some of these remarks - 1. The Scottish FM has never professed to split from the UK without a deal. That is untrue and I'd challenge anyone to show proof otherwise. Nicola Sturgeon has previously professed that an independent Scotland still becomes a good neighbour and trading partner with other UK nations and that includes England. Also in a practical sense a trade partnership/deal of some sort was always in order because cross-border trade could never realistically be blocked anyway. 2. Nicola Sturgeon represents a sovereign country called Scotland and the interests of the Scottish people - stop resurrecting that old "wind up" regional chestnut as previously done in another OP's threads - that debate has been exhausted a long time ago!!
On the subject of Brexit, it has been debated to exhaustion again on another thread but I'll briefly add my "tuppence worth" to Jim's vg comments re the Brexit "lie":- What characterises Brexiteers and Scottish Unionists is their willingness to embrace and applaud what they know are blatant lies from those they know are blatant liars. They are knowingly and actively engaged in a collective enterprise in self-deception as the biggest lie that this COVID-19 virus has exposed - the lie that we are a United Kingdom and Brexit, Johnson and the Tory govt exposed for the lie and fraud that they represent and the danger that they pose to all of us. Brexit has been an exercise in irrationality bordering on a form of national madness; lets not forget the highly questionable role and behaviour of that English fascist/racist, Farage, either. There maybe a rational argument for exiting the European Union but it descends into irrationality and madness when its supporters rely on, and embrace, a campaign of lies, disinformation, and the demonization of foreigners to justify it. On that note, the virus has exposed the contempt, bordering on hatred, Westminster and the Tories in particular, harbour for Scotland, a contempt that also embraces the Welsh and Northern Irish, but whose deepest animus is for the Scots. Btw Johnson and his cohorts were able to achieve Brexit because, starting with Thatcher, the Westminster elite, led by the Tories and their propagandists (serial critics of the EU for the past 4 decades!) in the media, led a relentless drive to eliminate the human characteristics of sympathy and empathy from the British system of political economy. For their free market experiment to succeed, these attributes had to be purged from the public sphere and unashamed selfishness and crass politics prevailed as witnessed up to now.