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Though my personal opinion is that Parliament has swallowed the anti-No-Deal propaganda so deep that it will now never listen to the No-Deal case, however well presented, I thought you might be interested in the following piece by Dr Graham Gudgin of Policy Exchange. Both he and Professor Robert Tombs tend to present the case for not being afraid of a no-deal scenario in a more palatable way than hanging onto the aristocratic drawl of Jacob Rees-Mogg.

As it has always seemed to me that we trade successfully with a bigger entity for us than the EU in the USA - under World Trade Agreement rules - and the whole Northern Ireland question appears to be a desperate daemon raised to prod an historic race-memory back to life I hoped you might at least want to read Dr Gudgin (who used to live and work in Ulster by the way). I'm not expecting converts and I'm hoping to remain friends when we continue to disagree ....... (As I've said so many times I still think the future is No-Brexit, simply because Parliament will turn down any deal Mrs May can get and will also refuse to sanction leaving without a deal.)


When the EU Withdrawal Agreement comes before Parliament in a few weeks, MPs will be asked to accept the deal on offer – or to risk ‘no deal’. The latter has been almost universally described in the media as “catastrophic”. One Cabinet Minister has been quoted as being “terrified” of the prospect. A former minister recently declared that under no circumstances could he support a Brexit based on no deal. At the same time, the Withdrawal Agreement on offer is clearly unacceptable to many. The Government has promised to lock the UK into a Customs Union of uncertain legal basis, and Northern Ireland also into the Single Market, in both cases until an alternative arrangement is agreed. This alternative will need to adhere to the agreed conditions for the Irish border backstop. If Northern Ireland is not to be treated differently, this will mean that the requirement of remaining within the Single Market and Customs Union will also apply to the whole of the UK. The UK will neither be able to decide its own product regulations, nor to strike new free trade deals with countries outside the EU.

Why tie us down in this way? These measures are apparently to secure frictionless borders at roll-on, roll-off ports as well as in Ireland. We must assume that promises were made to UK car manufacturers early in the Brexit process that this would be so. But little work has been done to look at alternatives to remaining in a customs union in order to achieve frictionless trade. Customs experts have been ignored. Only last Monday, speaking to the Commons Northern Ireland Affairs Select Committee, the previous head of the World Customs Association, Lars Karsson, clarified and reinforced his frequently expressed view that modern technology can do the job Hans Maessen, a Dutch customs specialist, also testified that technical solutions could work to ensure no hardening of the Irish border in ways that damage the 1998 Belfast Agreement and Peace Process. The heads of UK and Irish customs have both asserted that invisible borders are now possible. This can all be achieved with existing technical solutions, and in compliance with the EU’s Union Customs Code.

A Canada-style FTA is still possible
Together with modern customs arrangements and the latest technology, it is clear that a Canada-style free trade agreement will be sufficient for UK needs. Zero tariffs and a regulatory coherence and regulatory cooperation chapter in an FTA will protect companies and jobs from excessive disruption. The customs technology to minimise or avoid border checks is available and is being used elsewhere. Physical checks for such things as phytosanitary concerns are conducted away from borders in many countries and need not cause hold-ups at Dover, Calais or anywhere else. All of this could be done in Great Britain and Northern Ireland to meet the needs of ‘just-in-time’ manufacturers and to avoid new border infrastructure in Ireland.
HMRC says it is advanced in setting up the systems for electronic customs clearing, a key aspect of invisible borders (although a 20-month transition period will help its preparations). The IEA’s ‘Plan A’ details the necessary arrangements. In other words, the UK could now change tack and say it prefers a free trade agreement, thereby making the Withdrawal Agreement’s UK-wide and Northern Ireland backstop arrangements redundant. EU negotiators may say that the negotiations have been concluded and initially refuse to talk further, but the UK has a number of cards to play.

What is at risk for Ireland and the EU?
Brussels wants an agreement – not least to secure its £39 billion without protracted court action – but continues to insist on an Irish backstop. However, if the UK threatens ‘no deal’, the prospect looms of the EU forcing Ireland to conduct checks at the Irish land border. Contrary to what the Government suggests, this is a comprehensive agreement with the whole of the UK with regulatory co-operations, customs facilitations, and Irish border facilitations. But no deal would be a disaster for the Irish beef and dairy industries; these would either be exposed to tariffs or would have to face competition from all over the world, if the UK had to apply zero tariffs on a Most-Favoured Nation basis to curb food price inflation.

The likely challenge for the Irish Government may lead them into a scramble to arrange checks away from the border that trade experts have long said are possible. The deep irony is that while the EU threatens no deal if it fails to secure an Irish backstop, in the event of no deal it would not secure the invisible border in Ireland that it desires. It is a bit like threatening to shoot itself in the foot if it does not get its way. Irish intransigence on the backstop has pushed the UK into agreeing all-UK measures that are likely to be unacceptable to Parliament and may thus prevent the free trade agreement which is strongly needed to reduce incentives for smuggling by armed gangs at the Irish border (as well as at the English Channel, where tobacco smuggling has been big business).

Are there dangers for the UK?
In other words, the UK has some bargaining clout to get a different deal but only if the prospect of no deal has credibility as a bargaining position. What are the dangers to the UK in adopting this course? What is meant by no deal? A free trade deal is in everyone’s interest and the aim should be to negotiate one quickly, preferably within a 20-month transition period. This would be the world’s first free trade negotiated between countries which already have both free trade and full regulatory identicality. Negotiating a continuation of the status-quo should be vastly easier than the focus FTAs normally have on protectionist tariffs and aligning disparate regulatory regimes.

It should also be pointed that if the meaningful vote goes against the government, this does not necessarily mean an automatic ‘no deal’. Instead, it may well be the only way to obtain a reset of the negotiations leading towards a Canada-style free trade Agreement. In this context, a Withdrawal Agreement is still very possible. After all, the EU has already offered a free trade agreement and the UK has guaranteed no hard border in Ireland. A transition period with no new tariffs and no immediate border checks would be very helpful but would require Brussels to accept British bona fides on avoiding a hard border in Ireland without a formal backstop. The EU will be reluctant to back down from its current position of supporting the political needs of a small member state and will inevitably push this to the eleventh hour. Strong nerves will be needed but self-interest suggests that the EU will do a deal.

Can we take the risk that Brussels will not finally back down and that next April UK firms will be faced with EU tariffs and potential regulatory checks on goods crossing the EU boundary? And what about the threats made by France’s European Affairs Minister that EU rules mean that UK flights will not be allowed to land in the EU and Eurostar trains will be stopped at the tunnel? Or that safety certificates on aircraft and parts will be withheld? None of these is at all likely and visa-free travel has already been agreed.

In the event of no deal, tariffs and regulatory checks could be highly disruptive for a minority of UK businesses, especially those connected with dairy products and meat where EU tariffs will top 20% and also with fresh foods which cannot tolerate long delays. However, EU preparations for no deal only say that checks may be conducted – not that they will be. In any event, new technology is already being installed at Calais to ensure that checks involve minimal disruption to traffic. Problems in the Northern Ireland dairy sector would be greater but could be managed through subsidies.

An exaggerated threat
Most engineering firms will be little affected by tariffs which is why heads of firms like Dyson, JCB and Northern Ireland’s Wrightbus support Brexit. Even car companies can withstand 10% tariffs on sales into the EU and 4.5% tariffs on components from the EU since they have benefited from a 15% depreciation in Sterling. Border checks on their components from the EU will be unnecessary, counter-productive for EU exporters, and illegal under WTO rules (which prohibit unnecessary checks undertaken for political reasons or for competitive advantage). With modern customs clearing arrangements and border technology it is unlikely that just-in-time manufacturers will be greatly inconvenienced by no deal, although they will of course prefer a completely open border within a customs union and single market. Business must be preparing for this possibility now.

The much-feared 20-mile lorry-jams, already prompting diggers to begin work on expanding the M26, must come from a danger that French customs will instigate unnecessary checks at Calais and elsewhere. Congestion at Calais could then lead to constraints on ferries leaving Dover and hold-ups in Kent. Goods which were deemed perfectly safe on 29th March would need to be judged suspect on 30th March. If the UK undertook not to alter any product regulations through the transition period there would be no need for regulatory checks during this period but checks might be undertaken anyway due to a strict and purblind application of EU rules. This would be equivalent to sanctions on a hostile regime, albeit defended by the EU on grounds of normal procedure. It is politically unlikely to happen or to last for any stretch of time, especially if the UK threatened retaliation on EU exporters.

The need for EU pragmatism
Prohibition on landing rights and refusal of certification on aircraft, cars or vehicle parts come under the same category. Strict and bloody-minded application of EU rules could lead to severe problems, but again is politically unlikely. Several French regional airports derive close to 80% of their traffic from UK-owned airlines and local tourism would be ruined by prohibitions.

Jose Manual Barroso, former President of the European Commission, recently said that the most important aim of the Brexit negotiations should be to avoid deep and lasting resentment. While wild threats will of course feature as bargaining gambits, one would expect EU pragmatism to avoid hugely provocative and inflammatory actions which are easily avoided by hastily agreed side deals. To do these, President Macron is taking on extra powers. The Irish Foreign Minister has said that, “if it looked as though Britain were heading towards a no-deal departure from the European Union then direct discussions on how to avoid a hard border would be required.” Mr Coveney added that those talks would not be easy.

Like the millennium bug, ‘no deal’ lodges itself in the mind as a fear of the unknown. Our current political predicament means that we need to quickly unpack the dangers and provide a rational assessment of the risks. We have some good bargaining chips. Let’s use them in the national interest to avoid this unsatisfactory Withdrawal Agreement.
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Thanks to Gina Miller no deal on WTO is what will happen if no terms agreed, as they have to vote on it, if the vote goes against whatever heap of crap then the automatic default position written in to law is No deal on WTO rules.
Quite surprised that MP's have not picked up on this
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Nahhhhhh!!!! Let the status quo prevail because it is clear that remaining in the European Union is the best trading and economic option available to the nation - being a current EU member, we know what the benefits are and they are aplenty! ! I've previously read most of the details set out in the OP and they are mostly speculative/opined as usual - "wing n a prayer stuff". The fiscal studies carried out by the Scottish govt and the belated one by the UK govt provide enough evidence to tell us that our economy will be "damaged" even more than what is currently happening and since the economic crash of 2010!! So why damage our economy and reduce budgets per capita when knowingly aware of the negative implications of said move "off an economic cliff face"! Nuts!! I see this scenario more simply as a lotta wealthy people with a certain political ethos that "keeps their interests and associated wealthy ones sweet" pitched in against a more shady group of wealthy people, some of whom would literally "kill" to impose their extreme agenda and lies to "get their way" and pile in as much "shady finance" into their "shady campaign" and knowing they will be unchallenged by their associated wealthy elite colleagues even though gross violation of said referendum are apparent to "all and sundry" within the less significant British population with little money to impose their will on this huge undemocratic and highly questionable Brexit fiasco!!!
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#4
The ramblings of some right wing thinktank....

I don't know where to even start with that. But the technology issue on the irish border has been shown to be total nonsense, the required technology hasn't been developed yet and would cost the taxpayer a fortune. 20bn a year according to HMRC. And for what exactly, what benefits would that provide ?

And as for WTO rules.... Forget about it. Read and digest the article from the herald below.



"IT would be easy to be distracted by the stramash at Westminster but it is worth the odd glance at events in Geneva to realise that the breathless drama in London might well be entirely pointless. After all it is in the sleepy Swiss city, not London, that the Brexiters have promised Britannia will once again launch herself as a totally independent and glorious trading state. Sadly, a bit like everything else to do with Brexit, it is demonstrably not going to plan. This matters because the Brexiters’ Plan B (“We’ll just revert to WTO terms”) is as unfit for purpose as their Plan A.

A few months back the EU and UK each filed documents in Geneva outlining the terms on which they propose to trade with the rest of the world, assuming the UK leaves the EU. This matters because although the UK will indeed be a member of the World Trade Organisation (WTO) automatically, the terms and conditions of that membership still need to be worked out given that for decades the UK Schedule has been incorporated within the EU Schedule. No member can begin to negotiate trade deals until it has clarity over what it actually has to trade, as written down in its independent Schedule.

The EU also needs to update its Schedule once the UK has left and has decided to renegotiate with the WTO’s 136 other countries directly. All of these countries will have their own agenda and this will take time but it is a tried and tested method the EU negotiators are well used to. The EU is also not in a rush, given its Schedule continues until replaced by the new agreed one.

Conversely, the UK is in an almighty hurry and has decided to do it differently. It will use a 1980 procedure known as a “technical rectification” to create its Schedule. The risk in using this method is that it can be challenged by any, or all, of the other WTO members for any reason.

Guess what? In a staggering development foreseen by literally everybody except Liam Fox, at the end of October countries began to challenge. Russia was first, saying that the UK proposals do not match its obligations. Specifically they complain that since the EU’s Schedule is still being negotiated from the 2013 accession of Croatia (an indication of how long these processes last) it is not possible to know how the Schedule should be rectified to produce the UK’s.

Russia is not alone and it is reported that a further 19 countries have already informally raised objections.

This escalated just last week when tiny insignificant economies like Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Canada, China, Mexico, New Zealand, Paraguay, Taiwan, Thailand, the US and Uruguay joined the fun. They signed a joint document demanding the establishment of a mechanism to provide “appropriate compensation” to ensure they do not end up worse off from the establishment of the UK’s schedules.

Is this the real crisis in Brexit? Yes it is. The WTO is the arbiter of international trade and the UK is not on the starting grid. Instead of doing the work, Dr Fox tried to find a quick fix and it has failed, and until it is resolved the le
gendary magical trade deals he and the rest have promised – surely, the only real win from Brexit – can’t even start. All the sound and fury signifies nothing.
Trade is about interests not sentiment, and nobody is going to give us something for nothing. As I have said before: if you didn’t like Brussels, just wait till you meet Geneva."





I actually think may's deal will pass now, probably with some amendments from labour when reality finally hits home. I bet both barnier and may took special delight in throwing the DUP and rees moggs crew under the bus.

















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Brexit voters - suckers.

May has shafted them up the hole, with the pay off ' end of EU immigration'

Knowing her record on immigration I expect the chesterfield lads to be deported shortly. Meanwhile we are aligned to the EU as closely as possible
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The "take it or leave it" drafty Brexit plan is a tome of several hundred pages. We are, presumably, supposed to be impressed. I confess, I've not read it as my local library and bookshop haven't yet received a copy. However, we are assured by the PM that it will be good for the UK, incl Scotland. Obviously an afterthought there eh! What I've been trying to comprehend is "How is it good for the whole of the UK, incl Scotland? So far, nobody seems to know the answer!
NI appears to be the "elephant in tge room" now because the draft plan allows it to continue more or less as if nothing has happened over the last 2 years or so, in order to protect the Good Friday Agreement. That's more important in my book mainly because we don't have a big enough army to send over there again, just in case. Also a majority of the population voted for remaining in the EU anyway. My own country did likewise with 62% of the voting population voting to "remain". But Mrs May does not recognise that factor. In fact, she does not recognise Scotland, or so it has "come to pass". Some Tory MPs, whilst forming several factional groups, opine individually that Brexit is "all things to different people" and believe that their clandestine group hold the key to a true Brexit. Meanwhile, the Labour Party has no opinion from what I can gather except to gain a new General Election and believing it is ready to lead the UK along a "yellow brick road" to glory. Little does it realise the Tories are already on the yellow brick road but not to any glory, instead to the white cliffs of Dover and beyond.
Is there anyone with even an inclination of suspicion of this drafty Brexit plan and its content???? Indeed, is there anyone with a clue as to how the UK will be seriously better off come next April Fool's Day?
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22 Boxes, Britain's future at stake, just one question, DEAL OR NO DEAL!!!!
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