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"There were and still are legitimate arguments for leaving the EU"


Naah Matt. There weren't any legitimate arguments for making ourselves 80 billion quid poorer, shafting our farmers and fishermen, crippling our car manufacturing or making ourselves a shittier satellite version of trumps USA. Couldn't have been about ridding ourselves of unelected power either or Cummings wouldn't be running the show...... The whole Brexit vote fiasco was entirely based on English exceptionalism and fear of immigration, and of course Boris now has the gates opened for millions of citizens from Hong Kong and probably next it will be India. Hypocritical as xxxx. That very same exceptionalism is still writ large today, even after 60k deaths from the mishandling of COVID. A no deal Brexit blamed on COVID is ideal cover for Boris and keeps the baying, daily mail reading minority feeling safe in their small little worlds, perpetually celebrating victory in wars they never fought in.

A no deal Brexit has always been the desired outcome from the right wing idiots running the show now. I've long said it on here, these vulture capitalists behind 'leave'  have bet against the UK big time and they are about to get very, very rich with zero scrutiny while the shit heads the way of the rest of us faster than Classic Dom xxxx off up the A1. You are right,  they are going to deregulate the xxxx out of everything including the NHS.

Chlorinated chicken is going to be the least of the UKs problems in the coming years. We aren't taking back control, we are giving it all on a silver salver to some of the most horrible, unscrupulous bastards you could ever meet.

Our children will look back on this with horror and embarrassment.

Seeing as you are a Scottish independence supporter, you do realise that if the vote back in 2014 had gone Yes and Scotland had voted to leave the UK then you would have left the EU as well and Scotland would have then be made to go through the process of joining the EU again. Then you have Sturgeon who wants Scotland to leave the UK without a deal while campaigning against Britain leaving the EU without a deal. The 2016 referendum was counted on the most votes not on what area voted what way, so those people who voted Leave in Scotland there voted counted to the final total. SNP and Sturgeon doesn't speak for the whole of Scotland like Boris Johnson doesn't speak for the whole of the UK.

Like I said in my previous post, we've had 41 years of neo-liberal Governments and then you have the EU which is neo-liberal as well, which is predominately right wing and which has implemented austerity policies along with wanting to change workers rights (Look at Macron in France where he tried to change the pension ages and change workers rights and take on the unions and the people protested and revolted). People like George Galloway, Tony Benn and Jeremy Corbyn wanted to escape the clutches of the neo-liberal EU but the Leave campaign was hijacked by Right wingers, fascists and disaster capitalists which fed racism and immigration and you never got to hear the left wing reasons for leaving the EU.

Back in 1973 when Ted Heath took the UK into the then EEC it was sold as a trading bloc with the rest of Europe and then in 1975 there was a referendum on the membership of the EEC and 60% voted to stay in the trading bloc and it continued to be a trading bloc and then in 1992 when John Major signed the Maastricht treaty for further integration and to become a cohesive economic and political bloc without a referendum that's when the views changed and up until 2016 the people didn't like the way the EU was heading and wanted a vote on the matter and they got it. Not everyone who voted to Leave the EU is a racist but I suspect there are racists who did vote Leave for immigration and they were duped because even before we were in the EEC/ EU we've always had immigration to this county and we will continue to have immigration to this country after we are out of the EU.

The way that the Tories have handled the Brexit negotiations and the Coronavirus crisis has been a farce from the beginning. They have lied to the public and treated us like idiots, they've contradicted themselves several times thinking we haven't noticed what's going on. Once we eventually get through this pandemic we will all remember what happened and I suspect a lot more people will hold this Government to account in their actions.

Politics in the UK and the US and across the World is becoming too partisan and too tribal, too many people see themselves as Remain or Leave or Labour or Tory or Left wing vs Right wing. There is no common sense anymore or any real dialogue or debate, it's just name calling and everyone thinking that they are right and that there opinion matters more than someone else's and that's where the silent majority come in. People who don't voice their opinions or views on social media or in person because they are worried about being put down or ridiculed so they keep quiet until there is an election and they use their voice, opinion and view by putting an X in their chosen box on the ballot paper. Dialogue, debate and listening to one another and understanding different opinions and views is the only we can move forward as a country and as one.

Like I said on another thread people can agree or disagree with my opinions or view points as that's what makes us all different. It would be a very boring World if we all had the same opinion and view.